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Republicans in full retreat over tax cuts for 160 Million

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Republicans in the house and senate quickly realized that raising taxes on working families in a recession would have disastrous repercussions for their re-election, the GOP collectively folded under pressure from President Obama and congressional democrats.

The legislation would continue a 2 percentage-point cut in the Social Security payroll tax, renew jobless benefits averaging about $300 a week for people languishing for long periods on unemployment rolls and protect doctors from a huge cut in their Medicare reimbursements.

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_n...se-senate-deal-reached-on-payroll-tax-measure

What the President should do now is double-down on trying to stimulate the economy, let republicans stand in the way of recovery.
 
The Republicans did this so seamlessly that I'm extremely suspicious that they have something nefarious up their sleeve. Venomous snakes are not to be trusted...ever.

Obama should propose the 10-for-1 thing that was proposed last year (raising taxes on the richest, and decreasing spending tenfold for each additional dollar of revenue that should bring in), and which the Republicans entirely ruined. Watch the Republicans do the same thing as they did last year, proving they don't give a damn about the deficit-and-debt at all, but only that their cronies duck their patriotic responsibility to share proportionately in paying for the system that allowed them to get rich.

That includes, of course, the "Buffett Rule" which would tax at least short-term investment income at the same rate as income derived from WORK. I argue that it should include the same tax rate on EVERY kind of income including long-term capital gains. Maybe it does...
 
i agree, i dont think the government should discriminate against workers like you say and have millionaires able to game the system as they are now.

and i also agree, republicans were quick to compromise here, and actually tried flanking democrats on the issue, which still gives democrats an opportunity again. lets see if they take it.
 
i agree, i dont think the government should discriminate against workers like you say and have millionaires able to game the system as they are now.

and i also agree, republicans were quick to compromise here, and actually tried flanking democrats on the issue, which still gives democrats an opportunity again. lets see if they take it.

to clarify, i think the GOP may actually be bluffing on trying to flank democrats on this issue. they have lost their confidence.

the GOP said they were going to try and pass the tax cuts by themselves, but we remember what happened when the house rejected the senate's proposal last year and Boehner lost control of his caucus that time.

it would just make them look even weaker if they tried to seize this issue for themselves.
 
The current Republican positions doesn't favor raising taxes period, they only wanted to see cuts made elsewhere to balance the revenue loss to SSI. They fully agree and its part of the their current stance against raising taxes while the economy is slow. So submitting on this issue is not a major retreat for them. All of which would be different if you going to try raising taxes elsewhere, they have no incentive and every reason to fight that.
 
The current Republican positions doesn't favor raising taxes period, they only wanted to see cuts made elsewhere to balance the revenue loss to SSI. They fully agree and its part of the their current stance against raising taxes while the economy is slow. So submitting on this issue is not a major retreat for them. All of which would be different if you going to try raising taxes elsewhere, they have no incentive and every reason to fight that.

Extending unemployment and protecting doctors are not tax cutting measures. It wasn't so long ago that republicans were spitting in the faces of the unemployed.
 
Extending unemployment and protecting doctors are not tax cutting measures. It wasn't so long ago that republicans were spitting in the faces of the unemployed.

I would have to agree.

Republicans have hung themselves on this issue.

They made their beds, and are now laying in it.

If Republicans really believed what they say, they wouldn't have caved on the issue, which they have, big time.

What does that mean? They are hostage takers, and would rather see lines of unemployed, breadlines and an utter explosion of poverty than to live under a 'socialist'. Give me a break.

I would be exploiting this up and down - left and right because now that the GOP is vulnerable, I would be out to dismantle their entire platform. That is, if it wasn't crumbling underneath their own feet!

Oh and yeah the bill isn't passed yet as far as I know, but please GOP, please continue this debate till November. :D
 
Why do the dem's want to kill funding for social security?

Are they trying to bankrupt it?
 
Why do the dem's want to kill funding for social security?

What makes you think the Social Security tax holiday will decrease funding for the Social Security Trust Fund?
 
The current Republican positions doesn't favor raising taxes period, they only wanted to see cuts made elsewhere to balance the revenue loss to SSI. They fully agree and its part of the their current stance against raising taxes while the economy is slow. So submitting on this issue is not a major retreat for them. All of which would be different if you going to try raising taxes elsewhere, they have no incentive and every reason to fight that.

why let the facts get in the way of a good story ;)

spend X
cut X

makes sense to me

4 more years of Obama will lead to financial ruin IMO

but he's doing a great job of taking turkey sandwiches away from kids and giving them chicken nuggets instead ;)
 

So following this logic.

You have a checking account and a separate savings account for vacations.

You pay for you summer vacation out of your checking account.

Since you didn't pay for the vacation out of your savings account for vacations, you did not spend any money on your vacation. Your vacation was free.

Common sense for idiots.
 
Why do the dem's want to kill funding for social security?

Are they trying to bankrupt it?

Please you'd have to be really fucking stupid to think that. Thank god you're just kidding tho :)
The same question came to my mind quickly when it was first proposed. What surprised me all along was that the Republicans, instead, weren't ENTIRELY gung-ho on the idea because, indeed, many of them DO want to kill Social Security. No matter that Social Security is *NOT* welfare, but a program that many of us paid into...and actually the Republicans don't want to abolish it, but PRIVATIZE it. Corporations, KEEP YOUR GODDAM GREEDY HANDS OFF MY SOCIAL SECURITY!!!!! Once Social Security goes corporate, they would have to show a good return to stockholders, they would have to skim off $300 million here and $17 billion there (and a few more hundreds of billions for good measure) to pay their CEO's and the rest of their enormous bureaucracy with so many people feeding at the trough.

A Republican wet dream come true, so why were the Republicans against this temporary reduction?
 
The same question came to my mind quickly when it was first proposed. What surprised me all along was that the Republicans, instead, weren't ENTIRELY gung-ho on the idea because, indeed, many of them DO want to kill Social Security. No matter that Social Security is *NOT* welfare, but a program that many of us paid into...and actually the Republicans don't want to abolish it, but PRIVATIZE it. Corporations, KEEP YOUR GODDAM GREEDY HANDS OFF MY SOCIAL SECURITY!!!!! Once Social Security goes corporate, they would have to show a good return to stockholders, they would have to skim off $300 million here and $17 billion there (and a few more hundreds of billions for good measure) to pay their CEO's and the rest of their enormous bureaucracy with so many people feeding at the trough.

A Republican wet dream come true, so why were the Republicans against this temporary reduction?

Where did all this come from?

"Privatizing" Social Security doesn't have anything to do with corporations, it has to do with making your account actually yours. Instead of it just sitting there behaving according to the whims of that body known as Congress, you could decide that you want your account to, for instance, ride with the mean return of US industrials, or stick it in a prime-minimum certificate of deposit, or invest it across all US pharmaceuticals, or sink it into Las Vegas casinos, or....

Okay, probably not that last item, because there would have been restrictions on what sort of risk you'd be allowed (though Vegas is hardly high-risk, except for the people who lose their money there). So the only "stockholders" would have been the people who are now -- us, with our accounts. The only "CEOs" would have been the people we call the Social Security Administration -- same for a bureaucracy. The only difference is that you would have been able to go online and look at all the charts showing your history and your balance and projections, and with that there would have been a button to click saying "manage my account". Click on that, and you would have gotten to a page showing investment options, and an amount you could invest yourself -- equal to not quite 5% of your total account.

And once you were receiving Social Security payments, you could keep doing that. And the beauty would have been that if when you died there was a balance remaining, your heirs could have gotten it (or you could have donated it against the U.S. debt or left it to bolster the health of the SS fund).


That's all that privatizing meant -- that you'd be able to control a teensy little part of your own account, if you felt you could get a better return than the government was (not hard -- even just calling Edward Jones and telling your agent to handle this money for you would have done that, for the entire existence of Edward Jones).

I wonder how many more dot-com millionaires there might be right now if that had been allowed starting under Reagan. The only difference would be that they couldn't have it till they retired, because it would be in their SS fund. :D
 
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