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Republicans Losing Grassroots Support

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Highly doubtful it's only about Bush's immigration policy!

The Republican National Committee, hit by a grass-roots donors' rebellion over President Bush's immigration policy, has fired all 65 of its telephone solicitors, The Washington Times has learned.

Faced with an estimated 40 percent falloff in small-donor contributions and aging phone-bank equipment that the RNC said would cost too much to update, Anne Hathaway, the committee's chief of staff, summoned the solicitations staff and told them they were out of work, effective immediately, fired staff members told The Times.

Several of the solicitors fired at the May 24 meeting reported declining contributions and a donor backlash against the immigration proposals now being pushed by Mr. Bush and Senate Republicans.

"Every donor in 50 states we reached has been angry, especially in the last month and a half, and for 99 percent of them immigration is the No. 1 issue," said a fired phone bank employee who said the severance pay the RNC agreed to pay him was contingent on his not criticizing the national committee.

A spokeswoman for the committee denied any drop-off in fundraising.

"Any assertion that overall donations have gone down is patently false," RNC spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt wrote by e-mail yesterday in response to questions sent by The Times. "We continue to out-raise our Democrat counterpart by a substantive amount (nearly double)." ...


BushRepublicans can't stop themselves from lying ....


Yet there has been a definite downward trend in Republican fundraising, said Massie Ritsch, spokesman for the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks money in elections.

"The GOP's overall haul from its three national fundraising committees [the RNC, NRSC and NRCC] is down 25 percent from the equivalent period in 2005," Mr. Ritsch said. "The Republicans still have more money than the Democrats but fundraising is down for Republicans and up for Democrats. That has to be a cause of concern for Republicans."

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee collected $4.6 million in April, more than double the NRSC's $2.1 million in April contributions.

What's more, the Republican group spent about $60,000 more than it had received in donations, while using only $260,000 to pay its debt.

Overall, the NRSC's total receipts of $9.1 million trails its Democratic counterpart's total of $18.3 million since January.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070601-122909-8977r.htm


Poor Republicans! Their great groaning fundraising machine has been reduced to being unable to afford to update their phone banks.
 
The poor Republicans, their perverse coalition of Corporate money and the provincial folks is coming apart at the seams.
 
Republicans and unemployment--the two seem to go hand in hand, even among thier own kind. :p
 
Mrs Hathaway, Mrs Hathaway, wasn't she the secretary for that banker in Beverly Hillbillies? I feel sorry for the repugs. Haha, not!!
 
...
And Democrats just can't help themselves with their lies:

Unemployment rate:

1993 6.9
1994 6.1
1995 5.6
1996 5.4
1997 4.9
1998 4.5
1999 4.2
2000 4.0
2001 4.7
2002 5.8
2003 6.0
2004 5.5
2005 5.1
2006 4.6

...

During Clinton's Presidency and Bush's the unemployment rate has been identical, at 5.2%. When you factor in 9/11 and the Clinton stock market bubble, I'm pretty impressed that it's been that good under Bush. BTW, most economists consider 5.5% to be full employment.
...

Um, I don't think those numbers are "identical" as you stated. If you'll note the trend, THAT'S where the big difference is. Clinton inherited high unemployment from GHWBush, then it consistently improved. GWBush inherited low figures from Clinton, squandered them, and has been working to bring them back to the numbers he inherited, since. Also, I believe you're going to see a big spike in unemployment over the next few months.

(sorry if my facts have gotten in the way of your lies, I feel bad about that)
 
Wait...I give you facts...with numbers...provided by the DLS...and you say you don't think the numbers are identical? Both unemployment rates for both Presidencies are 5.2 and some change. Any other difference would be statistically insignificant. I don't know what else I can tell you.
Try reading what I typed. The TREND is the key. I don't know what else I can tell you.

If you want to get into comparisons of who left what to whom, then Clinton left a stock market bubble, a recession, a lack of action on terrorism and an Oval Office that needed to be deep cleaned. Bush has done pretty remarkable all things considered.
Bullcrap. WHAT recessioin!?!? Clinton handled terrorism with the Intel & Law Enforcement communities, where it belongs. Clinton left a healthy, vital economy, and G-Dub gave-away the surplus with tax cuts. This, in turn, depleated our coffers so that in the unlikely event of a national tragedy (Oh My God! 9-11!) we'd be REALLY screwed. And you think Clinton's responsible for Bush's screw-ups? Gimme a break!

Why do you believe that unemployment is going to see a big spike? If it does, come back and let me know. I'm sure you'll like to gloat about that.
Because, the real estate bubble has burst, and the repurcushions of it will be deep and long-lasting.

At the end of your comments you copied my line about providing facts. But the interesting thing is, that you didn't, lol.
I disproved your lie ("the numbers are identical"), and that's a fact. The REALLY interesting thing is, I bet you STILL don't get it. And I don't think you're stupid, just disingenuous.
 
If you want to get into comparisons of who left what to whom, then Clinton left a stock market bubble, a recession, a lack of action on terrorism and an Oval Office that needed to be deep cleaned. Bush has done pretty remarkable all things considered.

Although all of those things are not true, you forgot to mention that the Clinton Administration left something else with the incoming Bush Administration: A comprehensive policy paper drafted by the Counter-terrorism Security Group (which Clinton created) entitled: "Strategy for Eliminating the Threat from the Jihadist Networks of al Qaeda: Status and Prospects."

Anyway...back to the unemployment discussion. When President Clinton took office, the unemployment rate was 7.3%--what he inherited from Bush I. The unemployment rate may seem to be low under this Bush Administration because this Bush had the advantage of inheriting an already low unemployment rate and a healthy economy (despite what some people claim). So the decline in umemployment during the Clinton Administration was far greater than any decline that has occurred under Bush. Here's a graph to help you understand this concept:

hannity-20060323-jobs.jpg


Also, President Clinton created 21.2 million jobs in his 8 years as President and Bush has lost 3 million jobs. Annual wages have declined by about $9,000, when you factor in rising energy and other costs. (Gas prices alone have risen 86.1% since Clinton left office.) Family debt has risen to a record 132.4% of disposable income. Also, 9 million more Americans are without health insurance since 2001. That's just the tip of the iceberg.

So, when put in perspective, Bush's economic record cannot even compare with Clinton's.
 
I can accept ignorance. I can even accept arrogance. But, I will not debate any longer against arrogant ignorance. If you refuse to follow a logical line of reasoning, then all you're here for is to agitate.:grrr:




G'bye, honeybunch! :kiss:
 
Sorry dude, if my facts and statistics bother you, I'd suggest you go to the celebrity forum and talk about Jesse McCartney. I'm sure you can handle that. Just because you say you've made a point and say you refuted mine, doesn't make it so. But I'm not giving up on you like you're giving up on yourself.

Look "Dude." Do you understand trends? Trends are a way of indicating changes over a period of time. Now, using YOUR OWN DATA, let me demonstrate a trend for you (as if Lance hasn't already done a very good job of it).

Year Rate
1993 6.9 Down from previous year baseline of 7.2 (not included in your figures)
1994 6.1 Down
1995 5.6 Down
1996 5.4 Down
1997 4.9 Down
1998 4.5 Down
1999 4.2 Down
2000 4.0 Down to the record low for the two administrations.
2001 4.7 Bush II Up
2002 5.8 Up
2003 6.0 Up
2004 5.5 Down
2005 5.1 Down
2006 4.6 Down (but not down to Clinton's 6th year number)

Therefore, my point is, that the average of 5.2 that you present is misleading. The net improvement in unemployment figures during the Clinton administration is 3.2 points from the previous administration. While Bush shows an "improvement" from Clinton's figures of -0.6.

Clinton showed consistent improvement. . . year after year. Bush has not yet measured-up to Clinton's best. . . and I doubt he will. But Clinton didn't have the advantage of a nice low basline as did Bush II.

Now, I can't speak for Lance's figures, I don't know where he got them either, although I have complete faith in him and them. However, here's an explanation of how unemployment figures mask reality, and it's from the Economic Policy Institute:
http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm?id=1925
Unemployment rate masks high share of long-term unemployed
In March 2002 Congress enacted the Temporary Extended Unemployment Compensation (TEUC) program, giving most workers who had exhausted their regular unemployment insurance (UI) benefits an additional 13 weeks of coverage in most states, and an additional 26 weeks in high unemployment states.

When the TEUC program was enacted, the national unemployment rate was 5.7%. Of those who were unemployed, 8.5%—about 700,000 unemployed workers—had been unemployed for more than 39 weeks.

(chart)

As the figure shows, the unemployment rate for the third quarter of 2004 was 5.5%—not much lower than when TEUC was enacted. However, the share of the unemployed who had been unemployed for more than 39 weeks in the third quarter of 2004 was 14.5%, or 1.2 million of the unemployed—much higher than when TEUC was enacted. Historically, a share this high has been associated with much higher unemployment rates. For example, the share of very long-term unemployed was 16.4% in the fourth quarter of 1992 when the unemployment rate was 7.4%—at which time extended federal unemployment benefits were available.

In short, while the unemployment rate (calculated on number of new unemployment applications) may be low, it masks the fact that under the Bush administration the duration of unemployment has been longer. In other words, not many people lost their jobs, but, those who did remained unemployed longer!

Can you follow that? I know you can use statistics to make any case. But, I like to use statistics honestly in support of facts, not to deceive and manipulate. Both are 5.2%. . . indeed.

Now get outta my ass. I don't like you well enough for that action!
 
When you get numbers like 100% and 99% from a fired employee, you have to be a bit skeptical if you have any intellectual honesty, or unless you have an agenda. :rolleyes:

I agree. That's the reason I started this thread by declaring it's doubtful Republicans are losing grassroots support only because of Bush's immigration policy. I believe it's a combination of BushRepublican lies, corruption and incompetence.


Of course, I'm sure you realized that your quote, in which you called her a liar, was from the RNC spokesperson, but your numbers are from the DSCC and NRSC, totally unrelated groups. If you had given the NRC's numbers you might have some credibility with this argument, but of course you didn't, and you don't.



Well she didn't limit her comment to RNC fundraising. She said:

"Any assertion that overall donations have gone down is patently false," RNC spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt wrote by e-mail yesterday in response to questions sent by The Times. "We continue to out-raise our Democrat counterpart by a substantive amount (nearly double)." ...

and then the article went on to cite "overall" donation figures:

Yet there has been a definite downward trend in Republican fundraising, said Massie Ritsch, spokesman for the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks money in elections.

"The GOP's overall haul from its three national fundraising committees [the RNC, NRSC and NRCC] is down 25 percent from the equivalent period in 2005," Mr. Ritsch said. "The Republicans still have more money than the Democrats but fundraising is down for Republicans and up for Democrats. That has to be a cause of concern for Republicans."

So who knows if she's trying to lie or just doesn't know how to use a qualifier. Doesn't matter. The point remains the same and remains valid -- BushRepublicans are liars and they're losing support while Democrats are gaining.
 
^ Yes, statistics can be provided to prove most anything. For instance, Bush has 45 consecutive months of job creation while Clinton's longest period was 33 months. And your trends are just as you defined them, not anything statistically objective. The facts are, the unemployment rate is the same in both Presidencies, that can't be denied. Of course there are all kinds of ways that there are differences in their respective economies, both of which are outstanding.

47.3% of all statistics are made-up on the spot (tongue in cheek). But, seriously, we ain't talkin' "months" here (a somewhat useful figure you pulled from ???). I was talking about annual results, while you were talking "averages" stretched over 8 or 6 years, depending upon the administration. If you want to deny the trends YOUR DATA DEMONSTRATES, and misrepresent, that's your business. . . but don't try to mislead others with such crud. . . it's very transparent.

Clinton = healthy economy, consistently improved unemployment, budget surplus
Bush II = Slow growth, slipping unemployment, MAMMOTH budget deficit

Pretty easy to figure out. Most of the country can see it, maybe you're just a little slow to come to your senses. Maybe I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.







Or, maybe NOT!
 
Yes

the Republicans are losing grassroots support

isn't that what this thread is about?

duh

Bush fatigue is at an all time high
 
I was gonna make this a separate thread but figured this belonged here instead.
But this is better than losing grassroots. I can't believe Kay Bailey Hutchison and John Cornyn are pissed at him too. Of course y'all know that Kay and John are our fine Senators from Texas.:gogirl: :wave:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/w...=th&adxnnlx=1180884060-Fx1QlsCKcJuhL1THnxrkkA

Bush’s Push on Immigration Tests His Base
By JIM RUTENBERG and CARL HULSE
Published: June 3, 2007

WASHINGTON, June 2 — President Bush’s advocacy of an immigration overhaul and his attacks on critics of the plan are provoking an unusually intense backlash from conservatives who form the bulwark of his remaining support, splintering his base and laying bare divisions within a party whose unity has been the envy of Democrats.

It has pitted some of Mr. Bush’s most stalwart Congressional and grass-roots backers against him, inciting a vitriol that has at times exceeded anything seen yet between Mr. Bush and his supporters, who have generally stood with him through the toughest patches of his presidency. Those supporters now view him as pursuing amnesty for foreign lawbreakers when he should be focusing on border security.

Postings on conservative Web sites this week have gone so far as to call for Mr. Bush’s impeachment, and usually friendly radio hosts, commentators and Congressional allies are warning that he stands to lose supporters — a potentially damaging development, they say, when he needs all the backing he can get on other vital matters like the war in Iraq.

“I think President Bush hurts himself every time he says it is not amnesty,” said Senator Tom Coburn, Republican of Oklahoma, referring to the bill’s legalization process for immigrants. “We are not all that stupid.”

This week, after Mr. Bush’s suggestion that those opposing the Congressional plan “don’t want to do what’s right for America” inflamed conservative passions, Rush Limbaugh told listeners, “I just wish he hadn’t done it because he’s not going to lose me on Iraq, and he’s not going to lose me on national security.” He added, “But he might lose some of you.”

Such sentiments have reverberated through talk radio, conservative publications like National Review and Fox News. They have also appeared on Web sites including RedState.com and FreeRepublic.com, where postings reflect a feeling that Mr. Bush is smiting his own coalition in pursuit of a badly needed domestic accomplishment, and working in league with the likes of Senator Edward M. Kennedy, a co-author of the legislation.

White House officials said it had led them to engage the blogosphere in a concerted way for the first time, posting defenses on liberal and conservative sites.

The tensions, which have rippled through the Republican presidential field, are intensifying just as the Senate is preparing to renew debate on the measure next week. Opponents are seeking significant changes — or outright defeat of the legislation — and raising the specter of a filibuster. The battle has pitted the White House against a group that includes even Mr. Bush’s reliable supporters from his home state of Texas, Senators Kay Bailey Hutchison and John Cornyn, both Republicans.

White House officials said it was a debate they welcomed in pursuit of a long-sought presidential goal, but in interviews this week, they expressed frustration at what they described as ill-informed criticism that the bill provided amnesty for illegal immigrants when it in fact traded legal status for fines and fees — more than $6,000 for green card holders, officials said. They also noted that the most recent New York Times/CBS News poll showed 66 percent of Republicans supported its legalization provisions.

Karl Rove, Mr. Bush’s top political adviser, said Friday he was confident that the White House would win over its critics as it explained the details of the bill and the administration’s continuing efforts to enforce existing border control laws.

Mr. Rove said he did not think that anger over immigration within the party would affect support for the president on the war and other national security issues. “People are able to say, ‘I don’t need to agree with anyone 100 percent of the time to be with them on the most important issue facing America,’ ” he said.

But that same day, Peggy Noonan, the Wall Street Journal opinion writer and former Reagan speech writer who has supported Mr. Bush, said, “What conservatives and Republicans must recognize is that the White House has broken with them,” in a column under the heading, “President Bush has torn the conservative coalition asunder.”

Democrats have their own serious differences on immigration, with many worried that the Senate plan is too punitive. Others who are closely allied with labor are fearful about the impact on job opportunities, and still others oppose any plan that allows illegal immigrants to earn citizenship. But the Democratic divisions have been all but lost in the loud and volatile clashes among Republicans.

Reflecting the division between the business wing, Congressional moderates and the rest of the party, the editorial board of National Review, which opposes the legislation, has issued a debate challenge to The Journal’s business-minded editorial board, which is more supportive. (The Journal editorial page editor, Paul Gigot, dismissed the challenge, saying National Review writers had not accepted offers to appear on The Journal’s program on Fox to discuss the matter.)

Opposition to Mr. Bush’s immigration plan, which calls for a way to legalize illegal workers who are here now, has been stiff for years. But last year, when similar legislation was under debate, opponents were rightly confident that Republican leaders who controlled Congress would not let it progress. Mr. Bush, not wishing to intensify the fight in an election year, stayed behind the scenes and relented when the legislation died.

Not so this year, when Mr. Bush’s personal involvement in brokering a bipartisan immigration deal, and his clear determination to push for its passage, has intensified criticism from grass-roots and legislative leaders of his own party to the highest levels of his presidency. The criticism reflects a central tension between Mr. Bush’s pursuit of a defining domestic policy accomplishment and the party’s concerns about its 2008 prospects when base voters are so angry about immigration.

Mr. Bush’s comments to federal law enforcement trainees in Georgia on Tuesday, in which he took the rare step of going after conservative critics in terms usually reserved for Democrats, has charged the Republican ferment, specifically his suggestion that those opposed to the plan “don’t want to do what’s right for America.”

Presidential aides said later that Mr. Bush did not mean to impugn anyone’s patriotism, and that he had ad-libbed the line during a passionate address on an issue he holds dear.

But days later, Mr. Cornyn still seemed rankled. “I honestly don’t know whether it was scripted or unscripted,” he said. “But I think it was uncalled for.”

In its online editorial in which it challenged The Wall Street Journal to a debate, National Review referred to an Internet video on The Journal’s Web site of an editorial board meeting in which Paul Gigot, the editorial page editor, referred to what he calls “the degree to which the right isn’t even rational about this anymore.” National Review wrote, “It shouldn’t be a problem for The Journal’s editors to take up this challenge, since opponents of the bill aren’t ‘rational’ on the question.”

The debate has bled into the campaign for the Republican presidential nomination, providing fodder for one of the sharpest exchanges so far, between Senator John McCain of Arizona, who supports the bill, and former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, who has come out against it.

Caught in the middle of the broader fight, the Republican National Committee has seemed to have taken less of a supporting role than on other White House initiatives, though Senator Mel Martinez, chairman of the committee and a strong backer of the compromise, said its support was unwavering.

(Republican Party officials disputed parts of a report in The Washington Times linking a decision to fire dozens of phone bank employees to a decline in small donations that the paper reported was partly caused by disaffection over immigration.)

The Republican vs. Republican debate has also played out intensively for lawmakers back home. Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina, a critic of the measure, said he had heard from people who were upset not only with the legislation, but also with his Republican colleague from the state, Senator Lindsey Graham, one of the measure’s architects. “I discourage that kind of talk,” Mr. DeMint said. “We are good friends, and he is a great senator. We are just in disagreement on this particular issue.”

The Republican and conservative critiques on the Internet are not so polite. “Bush has turned on his own people, his political supporters,” wrote a visitor to a message board on the conservative Web site FreeRepublic.com. Another visitor wrote, “Why have I cared that liberals not attempt to impeach this man? He’s gone crazy.”

Mr. Rove and Dan Bartlett, the White House counselor, said officials would continue trying to persuade critics.

And some White House allies were trying to cool tensions. Mr. McCain, who had a salty clash with Mr. Cornyn over the legislation when it was being drafted, said Friday, “The president, and all of us, feel frustrated sometimes by the criticism and the level of the dialogue,” adding, “I wish we could lift up the level of discourse and dialogue.”

The president’s brother, Jeb Bush, and his former campaign manager, Ken Mehlman, wrote an op-ed article in The Wall Street Journal pleading the case for the legislation, saying that the debate, “has led many close personal and ideological friends — people we respect and whose criticism we take seriously — to oppose new rules governing how people enter this country and how we handle those who are here illegally. But we hope our friends reconsider.”

Jeff Zeleny contributed reporting from Des Moines.
 
Right now supporting Bush is:

rarely the smart move - in terms of is Bush's position right - see Immigration

and it's not the politically expedient thing

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I lovew it when Republiqueens say the word "statistics." They sound like distressed girls being tortured, all those "s'es" sound like "s'th."

There's that "calling someone a woman is an insult" thing again.

I'm really disappointed in you, GA.
 

I'm well aware of how this board works; "ignore" is a last resort, to my way of thinking. I have yet to avail myself of this function here.

Generally, I find myself in agreement with you...politically speaking.

But I've noticed a disturbing trend in your posts whereby you attempt to insult someone by referring to him as "she" or "her." That's a pity. As for me, I think women are great. My mom is a woman. So are my sisters. And there's nothing wrong or lesser or damaged or stupid about them.

Were you deeply hurt by a woman at some point in your life?

It's just really disappointing, that's all. I expected better from you.
 
Slow growth - In my BEA cite it shows 20 consecutive quarters of growth in the GDP. If that's slow growth, I'll take it.

Now, you never bothered to tell anyone in the forum what these numbers mean, did you? What they represent is the index change from the previous month. Each number either is added to the index, or subtracted, as indicated. Note the increase numbers during the Clinton administration. They're typically three digit, in the 200-400 range, and there's just oodles of 'em. Oh, there's the occasional "outlier" or "blip", they're to be expected.
Are you keepiing up?
Now, in the BushII administration, on the other hand, the numbers during the first several years of the administration looked (I try to be kind) ABISMAL! Negative, negative, negative! 2 & 3 digit negative! Later, they start to look a bit better, but, they come nowhere near the consistency and size of the numbers during the Clinton years. Should I have used the words "slowed growth?" YES, I damn well was right to do so!
[F]
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
1993 307 237 -46 307 273 164 300 159 240 279 263 302
1994 270 192 468 357 339 310 359 303 354 206 425 270
1995 321 211 220 163 -9 227 71 278 239 149 144 140
1996 -18 435 255 165 329 271 228 203 218 238 292 177
1997 229 294 317 291 262 246 276 -7 506 339 307 298
1998 268 185 148 278 401 205 121 355 221 192 285 344
1999 113 396 124 382 214 257 295 193 187 422 295 294
2000 245 120 476 285 220 -43 176 -11 118 -12 216 158
2001 -13 80 -47 -295 -32 -130 -117 -154 -255 -330 -308 -162
2002 -127 -118 -46 -83 -23 47 -81 -15 -69 118 10 -143
2003 65 -153 -196 -48 -33 24 10 -42 81 176 55 168
2004 114 31 343 287 269 102 59 107 170 350 65 168
2005 95 235 124 340 188 265 327 202 105 107 351 202
2006 206 300 249 144 103 124 222 186 198 109 196 226
2007 162 90 175 80(p) 157(p) [/FONT]

Slipping unemployment - The unemployment rate, as I have shown, has dropped every year since 2003. It has shown NO sign of going up. Here are the numbers. Please refer to my numbers and tell me how it is going up?

Funny. . . these aren't the same numbers you posted originally. Oh well, since you started this portion of the debate with annual numbers, that's what we'll stick to, even though you completely left them off this table. Not to worry, I calculated the mean averages and plugged them in for you. I also changed the font to courier, so that the columns would align properly. Here goes, m'kay?:

[F]
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
1997 5.3 5.2 5.2 5.1 4.9 5.0 4.9 4.8 4.9 4.7 4.6 4.7 4.9 down
1998 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.5 4.5 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.4 4.5 down
1999 4.3 4.4 4.2 4.3 4.2 4.3 4.3 4.2 4.2 4.1 4.1 4.0 4.2 down
2000 4.0 4.1 4.0 3.8 4.0 4.0 4.0 4.1 3.9 3.9 3.9 3.9 4.0 down
2001 4.2 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.3 4.5 4.6 4.9 5.0 5.3 5.5 5.7 4.7 up
2002 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 6.0 5.8 up
2003 5.8 5.9 5.9 6.0 6.1 6.3 6.2 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.8 5.7 6.0 up
2004 5.7 5.6 5.8 5.6 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.4 5.4 5.4 5.4 5.4 5.5 down
2005 5.2 5.4 5.2 5.1 5.1 5.0 5.0 4.9 5.1 5.0 5.0 4.9 5.1 down
2006 4.7 4.8 4.7 4.7 4.6 4.6 4.8 4.7 4.6 4.4 4.5 4.5 4.6 down
2007 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.5 [/FONT]
Key: Annual Clinton Bush II

And unemployment STILL isn't down to where it was when Bush started. . . it's UP from then! How ignorant do you insist upon being?

Budget deficits - I agree, spending is out of control. Maybe the Democrats can help reel it in. I, and millions of Republicans, are not happy about this, and that's why the Republicans lost control of Congress.
Agreed. As I've stated before, the Democratic congress is off to a rocky start, but then it's only the start.

Now, with all that being analyzed and said, don't try to snow ME under with "raw numbers." I spent years watching and interpreting the MEANING behind numbers, and I can be pretty damned tenacious.
 
I'm well aware of how this board works; "ignore" is a last resort, to my way of thinking. I have yet to avail myself of this function here.

Generally, I find myself in agreement with you...politically speaking.

But I've noticed a disturbing trend in your posts whereby you attempt to insult someone by referring to him as "she" or "her." That's a pity. As for me, I think women are great. My mom is a woman. So are my sisters. And there's nothing wrong or lesser or damaged or stupid about them.

Were you deeply hurt by a woman at some point in your life?

It's just really disappointing, that's all. I expected better from you.

this is pretty standard stuff for GA

I've called him on it before

sorry he disappointed you
 
I'm well aware of how this board works; "ignore" is a last resort, to my way of thinking. I have yet to avail myself of this function here.

Generally, I find myself in agreement with you...politically speaking.

But I've noticed a disturbing trend in your posts whereby you attempt to insult someone by referring to him as "she" or "her." That's a pity. As for me, I think women are great. My mom is a woman. So are my sisters. And there's nothing wrong or lesser or damaged or stupid about them.

Were you deeply hurt by a woman at some point in your life?

It's just really disappointing, that's all. I expected better from you.

Actually GA answered your question in this thread here, in post #10 when you first brought it up:

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2713106#post2713106

speaking of disappointments...

Now you're just being hateful. :cool:

offtopic:
 
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