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Republicans to Troops: DROP DEAD

I've been busy today, but the way I understand it Warner backed out BEFORE the vote. They knew they didnt have the numbers to win. So why bring it up for a vote? Real leaders would 'table' the bill and do more behind the scene work. At least that is the way it used to be not that many yrs ago.

Before Warner backed out, we were three votes short of the 60 votes. And Webb was in the process of attracting those three votes when Warner let it drop that he flip-flopped. So that made it impossible for Webb to convince four more Republicans to support the measure. The vote was already scheduled (in Senate terms, it was placed on the calendar and the yeas and nays were ordered) so they had to go through with it. But it also put the Republicans on record once again for obstructing efforts to bring our troops home. And this wasn't even a covert order to withdraw. It just said that the rest time of troops should be the same length as the time they are deployed. And it happens to have popular support...among the public at least.
 
the republicans stopped representing the american public a few years back

they seem disinclined to change that policy any time in the near future
 
The only thing the republicans did was prevent the Democratic surrender party from hamstringing Gates and keeping the job from being ccomplete. I really wish the cowards who simply want this effort to be political fodder would go find someone else to save. Ask the troops they dont want your help.

Wouldn't it be ironic if John Kerry was a key voice in two failures of this government to allow the troops to do their jobs?
 
The reason the troops have to serve extended tours is because we don't have enough of them, plain and simple. Bush claims we're in a difficult struggle that will last a very long time. If he really believed that, why doesn't he open discussions about reinstituting the draft? That would take real political courage .... something that he and his sorry band of Republican sychophants are unable to muster. :mad:
 
AGain ask the troops. We dont want prison dodgers and malcontents. The service is fine if all the fucking PC fuckwads would get off its back
 
^ I think Mazda knows more about this shit than most of the posters here

I'll defer to him

and everyone knows this is a political bill

the rest is ............................
 
AGain ask the troops. We dont want prison dodgers and malcontents. The service is fine if all the fucking PC fuckwads would get off its back
Your argument is bogus. Prison dodgers and malcontents are what they're getting now by lowering their standards for the volunteer army. A draft would get some of our finest college-educated folks to serve their country in this time of dire need. If we need to go to war then lets go all out to win it.
 
With all due respect Centex and respect your service to the country....the Missions that the United States Coast Guard performs and what our soldiers in Iraq are doing cannot fairly be compared.

The USCG is more of a rescue/law enforcement operation, which yes, is very dangerous and many have died in the line of duty, however, the soldiers in Iraq are in a very different WAR situation. They are in a completely different country as well and totally environment. This is not to diminish the value of the Coast Guard by any means, but the situations are very different. Both are very dangerous, and ideals similar...but situations very different.

Sometimes you need to make a soldier stay out of the game for awhile, whether he wants to or not. A soldier is useless if he is not taken care of...including himself. Sometimes a soldier on the ground doesn't see the big picture or does not see what can be seen from the outside. So sometimes a soldier doesn't know when its time to take a break or get out. Much like when in a fire situation and I am in position ready to work and I am told to get out...the situation looks decent enough to fight it and maybe get the fire out to me, but on the outside the roof is sagging and fire is blowing out the eves of the building and the roof just self vented...something I can't even see on the floor I am on...yet seconds after I get out, still bitching, the roof collapses, right where I was.

If you want soldiers in good enough shape to work you must take care of them...and that doesn't mean letting them do what they want...like continue to fight...or as you say "never leave their post until their mission is complete". Once again, I am forced to take a long break after working a fire, instead of getting a new air tank and going back in...why? Because I am tired and don't even know it...and I would probably be sloppy and put others at risk and myself. I have seen it happen before...but sometimes you have no choice.

Proper Rotation is as important to our troops as taking care of them when and if they return. Its a part of taking care of the troops...you have to take care of them while they fight as well as after they fight.

Excuse me?

Surely your not suggesting that there aren't ANY members of the United States Coast Guard in Iraq are you?

The first maritime prisoners captured in the Iraq war were captured by the United States Coast Cutter Adak.

It was the United States Coast Guard that helped seize and intercept Iraqi mine laying vessels in their ports, and currently provides port security in Iraq, Kuwait, and the port of Umm Qasr, in addition to Iraqi oil terminals in the Arabian Sea.

At the height of the conflict, the Coast Guard deployed 1,200 men and women, 11 ships and a port-security unit to the theater to conduct maritime-interception operations and coastal-security patrols. The port- security unit and five — soon to be six — patrol boats remain on duty in the northern Arabian Gulf, where they work closely with the Navy and Marine Corps under the command of U.S. Naval Forces Central Command.

That's IN ADDITION to work being done to secure our ports here in the United States of America, while performing aids to navigation, search and rescue, fisheries operations, and drug interdiction.

So please don't suggest, that while the Army, Navy, Airforce, and Marines were playing war games preparing for a war that they hoped would never come while I served my tours of duty, that the United States Coast Guard isn't a part of this operation, and that they have no presence in Iraq, and that I have no idea what's going on amongst the troops over there. [-X

Sources: Coast Guard is Active Player in War on Terrorism

Caught Between Iraq & A Hard Place!

Arlington National Cemetery

COAST GUARD SUFFERS FIRST COMBAT DEATH SINCE VIETNAM
 
A draft would get some of our finest college-educated folks to serve their country in this time of dire need. If we need to go to war then lets go all out to win it.

No It Would Not. the Ilk of WJC would run of to Rhodes or other Schools.
 
AGain ask the troops. We dont want prison dodgers and malcontents. The service is fine if all the fucking PC fuckwads would get off its back

:=D:

Like I said earlier in this thread, I hope that there's as much indignation against the PC fuckwads and their shit when they don't deliver on VA benefits and care for our men and woman who were sent into harms way.

This isn't anything more than "I support the troops more than you, wah, wah, wah." :mad:

When in fact it's nothing more than a bunch of political posturing, with little or no regard for those on the ground. [-X
 
No It Would Not. the Ilk of WJC would run of to Rhodes or other Schools.
Are you speaking from experience? I was drafted after college in 1965 and never thought about shirking my duty. You must be thinking of Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle etc. Their courage was only mustered up when they were in a position of power to start this fucked-up war and send others off to die.
 
AGain ask the troops. We dont want prison dodgers and malcontents. The service is fine if all the fucking PC fuckwads would get off its back

From what I understand special dispensations from the military allowing just this sort of person to join, have increased 100 fold in the past few months. Apparently the courts are offering these people a choice. Prison or the military. Could be the reason we hear about US military committing atrocities now and then. This kind of soldier is compromised by a shaky concept of right and wrong to begin with, and when he sees what is basically a street fight in Baghdad, maybe he just reacts like it's some sort of drive by back home.
 
You mean something like this??


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Let's be more truthful here fuckbait! :D

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At least that's what the fascist right is really wanting to say. :rolleyes:

Except when they say "we'll" protect America they're talking about corporations like Black Water.
 
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