Reverend Wright interviewed by Bill Moyers

[smelter]

Sbaraglia, just a couple of comments and questions for you:

1. Obama was raised by a white mother and grandparents who by his own account (his book) indicates that he loves them and they love him. You imply that he is hiding his anger:

"The fact that he's been going to Wright's church for 20 years, where Wright regularly preaches the black-centric and "America is fucked up" gospel...yet Obama presents himself as post-racial and unencumbered by the anger that he says Wright is subject to. Michelle Obama's comments about being proud of America for the first time in her adult life offers a clue that she buys into the Wright gospel regarding America. Hm, his longtime pastor and his wife...but not Obama?"

Do you have additional proof, beside those video snippets, that Reverend Wright 'regularly preaches the black-centric and 'America is fucked up' gospel? If so, please share them with us?

We are all products of our upbringing. Neither Rev. Wright nor Michelle Obama have the same background as him, so that may explain it, not?

2. Your comment about Adlai Stevenson:

"Of the two, I suspect Hillary would be the stronger candidate, because she will do anything to win and has no scruples, while Obama looks more and more like another Adlai Stevenson, too high-minded to get elected."

If by high-minded, do you mean intelligent? LOL, after 8 years of George W. Bush, I think the country deserves a President who doesn't need to remove his shoes to count over 10.

 

[Sbaraglia]

Sbaraglia, just a couple of comments and questions for you:

1. Obama was raised by a white mother and grandparents who by his own account (his book) indicates that he loves them and they love him. You imply that he is hiding his anger:
Do you have additional proof, beside those video snippets, that Reverend Wright 'regularly preaches the black-centric and 'America is fucked up' gospel? If so, please share them with us?

We are all products of our upbringing. Neither Rev. Wright nor Michelle Obama have the same background as him, so that may explain it, not?

2. Your comment about Adlai Stevenson:
If by high-minded, do you mean intelligent? LOL, after 8 years of George W. Bush, I think the country deserves a President who doesn't need to remove his shoes to count over 10.

No, by high-minded I don't mean intelligent; I mean high-minded. He see plain old politics as beneath him, and it comes across. There's no benefit in being better than the rest of us if you can't get elected. (Adlai was the Democratic nominee in both 1952 and 1956, and he lost both times. Truman and Kennedy both hated him for being such a weak-kneed intellectual who was too good to engage in a fight with the Republicans, who went ahead and beat him each time.)

Regarding the Wright questions, he said himself in the interview with Moyers, and Obama has said himself repeatedly in discussing Wright, that he (Wright) is focussed on black America as having been mistreated by America. Obama has said that he is of a different generation as isn't burdened by the pain that Wright carries. Wright said in the interview with Moyers that the church is focussed on black America, although it welcomes others also. Wright said in the interview with Moyers that he focusses on America's flaws. You have to keep in mind that I don't mind finding fault with America; I don't mind a focus on the way America has mistreated blacks. As I said, I voted for Jesse Jackson, twice. What bothers me is someone misrepresenting themselves so profoundly, as Obama may have. As to the white mother and grandparents, so what? In America, if you're black you're black, and you carry that with you, just as in Nazi Germany if you were Jewish you were Jewish and you carried that with you. There, now if I ever run for president you can throw that in my face: he compared America to Nazi Germany! Again, it's the falseness I don't like, not the criticisms. Both Wright and Obama, I think, are a lot angrier than they let on (outside of church). I'd like them both a lot better if they were honest about it. Hell, I just watched an extended excerpt of a Hillary speech in Indiana and that bitch is mad as hell, as desperate as hell, and as bloodthirsty as hell - and she lays it flat out! I was impressed, and think that the psychotic, unscrupulous bitch would lay McCain out like a doormat; I think she'd string him up in a torture cell if she had to! I think Obama should pick her as his running mate. I didn't use to, but fuck Bill, she's worth it - she's a wild, angry, hungry workin' class waitress countin' the change and ready to kick some butt - and lord knows Obama needs that; he can be high-minded, and let Hillary go out and chew the flesh off the Republicans for him. The only downside is, once they win, will she be plotting his demise?

 

[smelter]

^ You need to remember that Stevenson lost to the Allied Commander from WWII ...... stiff competition for whomever the Democrats put up against him. I've read about Adlai Stevenson and the rap against him was similar to the one against Al Gore. They didn't connect with the public but both are men of great intelligence and possess a wit that never seemed to show up in their campaign speeches and debates. I disagree that Stevenson fits your definition of high-minded .... he was by nature a shy man and his public appearance always appeared stilted, very much like Al Gore.

I'll need to look up your comment about how John Kennedy felt about him. Truman's remark, I'll concede .... he was a feisty little guy who had a thing against anyone he perceived as 'to the manor born'.

I think you may have misunderstood what I meant about Obama being raised by a white mother and grandparents. I think it has allowed him to see both sides of the black-white divide and thats a good thing! I believe it makes him unique and hope it will lead to narrowing it somewhat.

LOL, as far as your future ..... I promise that as soon as I'm done typing here, I will have forgotten everything you said ..... thats what happens when you get to be my age!

Now, this quote of yours is some funny stuff!

"Hell, I just watched an extended excerpt of a Hillary speech in Indiana and that bitch is mad as hell, as desperate as hell, and as bloodthirsty as hell - and she lays it flat out! I was impressed, and think that the psychotic, unscrupulous bitch would lay McCain out like a doormat; I think she'd string him up in a torture cell if she had to! I think Obama should pick her as his running mate. I didn't use to, but fuck Bill, she's worth it - she's a wild, angry, hungry workin' class waitress countin' the change and ready to kick some butt - and lord knows Obama needs that; he can be high-minded, and let Hillary go out and chew the flesh off the Republicans for him. The only downside is, once they win, will she be plotting his demise?"

 

[chance1]

not really an interview

more like 2 pals chatting

moyers is a joke

blowing Obama in front of a TV audience

really sad what he has become

very jimmy crack corn-esque

 

[texpatriot]

not really an interview

more like 2 pals chatting

moyers is a joke

blowing Obama in front of a TV audience

really sad what he has become

very jimmy crack corn-esque

Why?

Because he doesn't wear a bow tie, or rants uncontrollably for ratings?

I watched the interview, and I saw Moyers as someone who was completely respectful of Reverend Wright, and didn't once try lead the interview into any particular direction.

I respect both Men in that interview, and it's a conversation that was played out in a respectful objective manner, IMHO.

Did I miss something?

 

[grantt]

It was like the two of them were jacking off together and were pleased with their mutual outcum.

That was poor journalism. Moyers, hang it up.

 

[chance1]

Why?

Because he doesn't wear a bow tie, or rants uncontrollably for ratings?

I watched the interview, and I saw Moyers as someone who was completely respectful of Reverend Wright, and didn't once try lead the interview into any particular direction.

I respect both Men in that interview, and it's a conversation that was played out in a respectful objective manner, IMHO.

Did I miss something?

u didn't miss anything

u described it perfect

a "conversation" and "completely respectful" covers it

The Rev needed to be questioned - hard

not blown

u didn't miss anything - it's moyers that missed something



cya tex

 

[smelter]

The Rev needed to be questioned - hard

not blown

u didn't miss anything - it's moyers that missed something

I disagree, Bill Moyers is the consummate gentleman and his interview was completely consistent with his approach to journalism.

 

[smelter]

You seem to forget that some of us here on JUB watch and defend O'Reilly... although I prefer Colbert.

true enough ......

 

[Sbaraglia]

Speaking of Bill O'Reilly, Hillary will be on his show tonight and tomorrow night...sorry if this was posted elsewhere already.

 

[texpatriot]

u didn't miss anything

u described it perfect

a "conversation" and "completely respectful" covers it

The Rev needed to be questioned - hard

not blown

u didn't miss anything - it's moyers that missed something



cya tex

Well then perhaps you'll join me on my knees....

not for blowing

sorry if you got that

maybe latter

but perhaps you'll join me in prayer

that O'Reilly will have the good Reverend on his show

or hardball maybe

perhaps we could see some hot man on man action with Wright on olbermann

or the other way around?

hugs and kisses stud

 

[chance1]

You seem to forget that some of us here on JUB watch and defend O'Reilly... although I prefer Colbert.

true enough ......

speaking of getting blown

 

[opinterph]

Bill Moyers shares additional remarks about Jeremiah Wright on May 2nd – One week after the televised interview ...

(6:26 Min)​

Text Version​

 

[smelter]

^ Thanks for posting this video, Opinterph. As I said earlier in this thread, Bill Moyers is the consummate gentleman .... unfortunately he is like a voice crying in the wilderness in todays cacophony of media noise.

 

[chance1]

consumate excuse maker is more like it

too bad wright and obama have split?

nah

media created event?

nah

bill has lost his way and makes excuses for people like wright and obama instead of asking for explanations - as he should've done from wright during their "interview"

he's jimmy carter esque

yeah

 

[smelter]

^ I'd like to see your hero, Bill O'Reilly, take a turn at 'interviewing' Rev. Wright. Yelling "TURN OFF HIS MIC" a minute into it makes for good theatre but the audience would learn absolutely nothing.

The difference between the interviewing techniques of Bill Moyers and Bill O'Reilly is like comparing a bottle of 1787 Chateau Lafite to Ripple.

 

[NickCole]

consumate excuse maker is more like it

too bad wright and obama have split?

nah

media created event?

nah

bill has lost his way and makes excuses for people like wright and obama instead of asking for explanations - as he should've done from wright during their "interview"

he's jimmy carter esque

yeah

I agree 100%

The media did not create the Wright controversy; it began with YouTube and spread through the Internet, and a lot of people --whether or not Moyers agrees with them-- are genuinely troubled by a potential President being drawn to, influenced by and sticking beside someone like Wright for 20 years. And I think they're also troubled by how Obama dumped his own spiritual advisor and mentor of 20 years when it became politically necessary.

Moyers is also wrong that it's the media's fault we didn't have a constructive new conversation about race as a result of this. If Obama's speech in Philadelphia and subsequent behavior/speeches had led a constructive conversation about race, that's what would have happened. But Obama uses race to divide and upset people, as does a large segment of his supporters. He's tricky about it, as opposed to Wright's forthright style, but Obama was the one who led the conversation about race from Philly onward and the divisive result is his accomplishment.

Bill Moyers lost his way a long time ago. He's intelligent and means well but he's milquetoast.

 

[NickCole]

^ I'd like to see your hero, Bill O'Reilly, take a turn at 'interviewing' Rev. Wright. Yelling "TURN OFF HIS MIC" a minute into it makes for good theatre but the audience would learn absolutely nothing.

The difference between the interviewing techniques of Bill Moyers and Bill O'Reilly is like comparing a bottle of 1787 Chateau Lafite to Ripple.

Wow -- that really caught my attention!

It's compelling from two angles.

You use the most expensive versus the cheapest bottles of wine to compare the interviewing techniques of Moyers and O'Reilly. Why does money come into analysis of their technique? If price is the measure, O'Reilly wins hands down. O'Reilly is much higher paid for his TV show, which is a huge ratings success, and his books are best sellers while Moyers can't give away his books.

Also, what made the bottle of 1787 Chateau Lafite the most expensive wine in the world was not the substance of the wine itself, in fact it's undrinkable, but its age and Thomas Jefferson's initials "TJ" on the bottle. Maybe Ripple is rotgut but when someone buys a bottle they drink it; with the 1787 Chateau Lafite someone paid $160,000 for a bottle of bordeaux they can't drink. Sort of the difference between the bitter gun clinging working class and The Elite.

 

[smelter]

Aah Nick, now you went ahead and spoiled it .... I wanted to get a rise out of my buddy Chance.