Rise of Fascism in the United States [SPLIT]

[Dargelos]

You get arrested for that, just for saying a few honest words.
But you dont get arrested for running an illegal lottery and offering illegal inducements to voters.

 

[rareboy]

Oh...and some Americans have the unmitigated gall to complain about lack of free speech in other countries. GTFOY.

 

[rareboy]

This exchange is beyond fucked up...this is Trump actually spinning out of control in a meeting with Governors at the White House.

How any other governor, either Republican or Democrat could sit there and listen to that and not be chilled to the bone...beyond my comprehension.

'See you in court': Trump and Maine governor clash over trans athlete order

President Trump called out Maine Gov. Janet Mills at a meeting of governors at the White House over her state not complying with his executive order to ban transgender athletes from women's sports.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[cityboy-stl]

They're still doing it. Steve Bannon at CPAC giving a Hitler salute. The whole republican party, all the MAGATs, and now most of our government are full-on Nazis.

This guy "miniminuteman" is great at very aggressively in-your-face calling out conspiracy theories and other B.S., and now Nazis.

 

[rareboy]

We'll now see how this plays out on appeal.

Marc Elias reports that a Federal Court has granted a sweeping nationwide injunction against Trump DEI executive orders finding that they violate First and Fifth Amendments to the Constitution.

This is seen as a huge victory for @democracyforward.org and its clients.

And a stinging loss for Trump.

 

[rareboy]

Question.

Why did Hegseth just fire every top military branch lawyer?

What did they refuse to sign off on?

 

[fallsguy]

I thought of a title for a new US political group.
- F.E.A.T. -
Fired Employees Against Trump.

 

[rareboy]

The reconstruction of the Armed Forces is even more troublesome than the expected removal of two of the CJS...it also apparently includes a number of other key JAGs.

This is the most dangerous move yet

The canary is gasping for air

fpwellman.substack.com

 

[opinterph]

Marc Elias reports that a Federal Court has granted a sweeping nationwide injunction against Trump DEI executive orders finding that they violate First and Fifth Amendments to the Constitution.

Full text of preliminary injunction granted in part and denied in part and denial of restraining order issued on February 21, 2025:

NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF DIVERSITY OFFICERS IN HIGHER EDUCATION, et al., Plaintiffs, v. DONALD J. TRUMP, et al., Defendants

Case No. 1:25-cv-00333-ABA

 

[rareboy]

Missed this earlier on Feb 11th.

So disappointed in PBS. They are going to find that bending the knee will cost them far more than the bit of funding they get from the feds.

I suspect there are many thousands of us who support PBS who have just pulled our funding because of their craven cowardice.

 

[rareboy]

Just because this is going to come up again as the Trump dictate that only the President and Attorney General can determine what law means....

 

[Norri]

Just because this is going to come up again as the Trump dictate that only the President and Attorney General can determine what law means....

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If Trump ever brings up Marbury I’ll be a lot more afraid than I am now. Truth be told if I were a power hungry narcissist trying to do what Trump is attempting Marbury is where I would start. The fact that they haven’t gives me some hope that they will eventually obey the courts and are moving so fast now to get done what they can before courts fully step in. Radical as this group is they don’t act like revolutionaries and appear to want to work within the system while certainly stretching its bounds.

Were it the case they were more revolutionary and were willing to tear the system down they would not necessarily obey the courts with Trump declaring his interpretation of the Constitution is as valid as the courts and this is where Marbury comes in because Marbury is where it became the job of courts to decide what the law means. It’s a tradition not part of the Constitution.

With Trumps ability to sling the bull I can just hear him proclaiming ‘I am returning the courts to the role that the founding fathers intended them to have’ If Trump is the one who says the law means then it’s truly over.

I can’t think of a reason why the above scenario is either illegal or unconstitutional.

It stinks to live in interesting times.

 

[rareboy]

I can see the Roberts Court hollowing out Marbury.

And I think that it is where he is starting and why.

Basically, he intends to get rid of the judiciary as an independent and equal branch of government.

 

[Norri]

I can see the Roberts Court hollowing out Marbury.

And I think that it is where he is starting and why.

Basically, he intends to get rid of the judiciary as an independent and equal branch of government.

There’s really nothing to hollow out. The decision in Marbury had to do with a toll bridge dispute I think, it’s just a tradition all that needs to be done is to stop following it. I can’t see even this court voting to make themselves irrelevant, all that’s left to them is cases involving ambassadors and disputes between states.

It’s almost understandable why John Marshall made the power grab he did.

 

[cityboy-stl]

If Trump ever brings up Marbury I’ll be a lot more afraid than I am now. Truth be told if I were a power hungry narcissist trying to do what Trump is attempting Marbury is where I would start. The fact that they haven’t gives me some hope that they will eventually obey the courts and are moving so fast now to get done what they can before courts fully step in. Radical as this group is they don’t act like revolutionaries and appear to want to work within the system while certainly stretching its bounds.

Were it the case they were more revolutionary and were willing to tear the system down they would not necessarily obey the courts with Trump declaring his interpretation of the Constitution is as valid as the courts and this is where Marbury comes in because Marbury is where it became the job of courts to decide what the law means. It’s a tradition not part of the Constitution.

With Trumps ability to sling the bull I can just hear him proclaiming ‘I am returning the courts to the role that the founding fathers intended them to have’ If Trump is the one who says the law means then it’s truly over.

I can’t think of a reason why the above scenario is either illegal or unconstitutional.

It stinks to live in interesting times.

I kinda think it is in the Constitution:

Article III.

Section 1
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court,
and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and
establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold
their Offices during good Behavior, and shall, at stated Times, receive for
their Services a Compensation which shall not be diminished during their
Continuance in Office.

Section 2
The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under
this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which
shall be made, under their Authority; to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other
public Ministers and Consuls; to all Cases of admiralty and maritime
Jurisdiction; to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; to
Controversies between two or more States; between a State and Citizens of
another State; between Citizens of different States; between Citizens of the
same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a
State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

 

[Norri]

I kinda think it is in the Constitution:

Article III.

Section 1
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court,
and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and
establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold
their Offices during good Behavior, and shall, at stated Times, receive for
their Services a Compensation which shall not be diminished during their
Continuance in Office.

Section 2
The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under
this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which
shall be made, under their Authority; to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other
public Ministers and Consuls; to all Cases of admiralty and maritime
Jurisdiction; to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; to
Controversies between two or more States; between a State and Citizens of
another State; between Citizens of different States; between Citizens of the
same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a
State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

Where does it give courts the power to interpret laws?

It lists all their powers in Section 2 but not a word as to what the law means.

 

[cityboy-stl]

Where does it give courts the power to interpret laws?

It lists all their powers in Section 2 but not a word as to what the law means.

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under
this Constitution, the Laws of the United States

I (or Trump) can say the law means anything I want. The courts alone are given the judicial power to judge my interpretation or misinterpretation of the "Laws of the United States".
If judging the meaning of the law against my interpretation or my actions is not given to court, then the court has no purpose in even existing. Who then has this power?
Judging the meaning of the law and whether something is legal or not according to that law, is like......the whole purpose of the court. Is it not?

"The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases..arising under...the Laws of the United States..."

 

[KaraBulut]

Jane Fonda's acceptance speech from the SAG Awards last night:

 

[rareboy]

There are going to be many of these horrifying stories over the next while of people like Chris Kluwe or this woman being collared by brownshirts and blackshirts to prevent them from protesting against the rise of fascism. People like Jane are there to testify that an arrest is sometimes the most honourable way of protest.

Wake the fuck up Americans. Right now it is being just thrown out. Eventually the government will just have buses waiting for protestors and then .....

 

[rareboy]