Rise of Fascism in the United States [SPLIT]

[KaraBulut]

Hmmm... so in the last session of SCOTUS, they weakened the Chevron ruling that says that Executive agency rule-making is second to Congressional legislation. All of this falls back on Congress to override, override and restrict.

We elected the Republicans who are in Congress who are enabling all of this. It is up to us to get them out of office and fix the system that makes their districts not competitive.

 

[cityboy-stl]

Again, the majority are missing the main point as noted below...TrumpCo. are seizing the levers they have to exert arbitrary powers. The Project 2025 lawyers have spent four years putting this together. Without this gameplan, Trump would have been ineffective.

Also, without the 100% lock-step buy-in of 6 SCOTUS justices and nearly every republican fascist member of Congress, Trump would have been ineffective. Project 2025 is and was the game plan they've been working on for decades. Trump is the personification and figurehead of the party, and the mascot and tool of the project. He is the demagogue, able to fool enough of the public into giving him the power to pull the Project 2025 levers and make it happen. They're all the same.

We are already effectively in a full-blown fascist, Nazi dictatorship. What's happening now is dismantling and throwing away what's left of the republic and democracy. When that's completed, we will, metaphorically if not literally, be flying swastikas on the Capital and White House.

That is, unless people wake the fuck up and start fighting back, we might have a chance. There needs to be a lot more fighting back than what we're seeing now.

 

[rareboy]

It is all out there in the open. Under the direction of their Project 2025 Owners, Congress reps are busy ceding all their powers and responsibilities to the Executive.

In large part because they are all lazier and lazier. The time they used to spend doing real work is now replaced with courting big money donors for their 'campaigns'

They also don't want to be the ones held responsible by voters...although Congress is so completely gerrymandered, I can't think why they even care about that anymore. Maybe it is now because all the real fear is being primaried.

 

[KaraBulut]

...We are already effectively in a full-blown fascist, Nazi dictatorship.

No, you're nowhere near anything like this. Only people who has never lived in a military dictatorship or a socialist autocracy would believe this.

You're just in the beginning of autocracy light but only because the American public is too busy watching reality TV and glued to their phone screens to pay attention. Insiders say that Trump has been surprised at how easy it has been because there's no opposition that he's afraid of.

...In large part because they are all lazier and lazier. The time they used to spend doing real work is now replaced with courting big money donors for their 'campaigns'

Citizens United was a key piece of all of this. There are a group of very wealthy people who find that democracy is an obstacle to their objectives.

This is the Koch strategy. The Koch Brothers tried to impose their libertarian views and they even tried running for office. When they discovered that they were not electable and most Americans didn't want what they were trying to sell, they started pouring money into think tanks and political action committees to weaken democracy.

That strategy has now been adopted by other wealthy ideologues. This has been a success but it's cost a lot of millionaires and billionaires a lot of money to accomplish.

Follow the money:

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/16/house-battleground-campaign-fundraising-00458756

The Great Political Money Gap

When it comes to attracting mega-donors, Republicans are crushing Democrats.

www.nytimes.com

 

[cityboy-stl]

It is all out there in the open. Under the direction of their Project 2025 Owners, Congress reps are busy ceding all their powers and responsibilities to the Executive.

In large part because they are all lazier and lazier. The time they used to spend doing real work is now replaced with courting big money donors for their 'campaigns'

They also don't want to be the ones held responsible by voters...although Congress is so completely gerrymandered, I can't think why they even care about that anymore. Maybe it is now because all the real fear is being primaried.

I still do not believe they are cowards about anything. They are pretend cowards. Republicans in Congress are 100% in lock step with the Project and the destruction of the democracy. They say all this bullshit, but they vote Nazi every single time. They're doing what they're doing because it is what they want to happen. Faux cowardice is just a scam to fool those not already on their side into thinking they not really full-on fascist traitors actively subverting the Constitution.

 

[cityboy-stl]

No, you're nowhere near anything like this. Only people who has never lived in a military dictatorship or a socialist autocracy would believe this.

You're just in the beginning of autocracy light but only because the American public is too busy watching reality TV and glued to their phone screens to pay attention. Insiders say that Trump has been surprised at how easy it has been because there's no opposition that he's afraid of.

I'll bet in 1934 der Führer was surprised at how easy it was too. Trump is basically getting everything he wants. We're effectively at the beginning of a full-blown Nazi dictatorship if something doesn't stop it....if you want to put that way. I said that too.

 

[rareboy]

I still do not believe they are cowards about anything. They are pretend cowards. Republicans in Congress are 100% in lock step with the Project and the destruction of the democracy. They say all this bullshit, but they vote Nazi every single time. They're doing what they're doing because it is what they want to happen. Faux cowardice is just a scam to fool those not already on their side into thinking they not really full-on fascist traitors actively subverting the Constitution.

That is pretty much what I wrote....

 

[rareboy]

 

[cityboy-stl]

That is pretty much what I wrote....

They want to subvert the Constitution and destroy democracy. That's their party objective and the root of what they're doing. All that other stuff is just a tool or an excuse to deceive or cover up that they're working to achieve that objective. So far, they're done nothing to show otherwise.

 

[KaraBulut]

I'll bet in 1934 der Führer was surprised at how easy it was too. Trump is basically getting everything he wants. We're effectively at the beginning of a full-blown Nazi dictatorship if something doesn't stop it....if you want to put that way. I said that too.

What they want is more like Orbán or Erdoğan. They want to use the military inside the US and not against other countries. A big chunk of Hitler's strategy was land grabs and access to shipping channels. Putin has similar aims but it's caught up in his grand visions of the reconstituting the Russian Empire or the USSR.

Orbán's conquering of Hungary has the most similarity. Hungarians are xenophobic. Orbán used this to claim that the immigrants coming into Hungary were threatening their racial purity of the country. He closed the borders. He started rewarding white Hungarian families that produced a lot of babies. He made Hungarians (no strangers to autocrats and dictators) believe that he was the State and that anyone who opposed him was "unHungarian". He used the nationalism to take over industries and the Free Press, either by incorporating them into the State or having his wealthy benefactor cronies buy them. He periodically allows protests, then he cracks down on the protests, just enough make Hungarians believe they still have some freedom and aren't living in an absolute dictatorship. He's perfected a brand of illiberal democracy.

What is different in America is that Americans haven't had a dictator since the 1840s. They are a scrappy, fickle, difficult, libertarian people. Trump is unpopular. Congress is unpopular. There is a civil war going on but it is within the Left and the Right... at least so far.

Much of what has been accomplished in Florida, Texas and Wisconsin (and the Philippines and Uganda) has been because the opposition was weak and disorganized. In Wisconsin, the Democrats finally did get organized and overthrew the Republicans but they haven't had enough power to undo what had been done during the Scott Walker regime.

What happens next depends on whether the Democrats can find a charismatic leader to lead them out of the wilderness. They need to stop wasting time on performative politics and virtue signalling. They need to accept that their old way of government and politics didn't work. They need a plan. They need to stop playing nice and set out to destroy the anti-democratic movement in the Republican Party. That means a Teddy Roosevelt style of breaking up of big monopolies, taxing the ultra-wealthy and reforming the system that has allowed ultrawealthy donors to funnel millions into politics to thwart the democratic process.

 

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[Norri]

Hmmm... so in the last session of SCOTUS, they weakened the Chevron ruling that says that Executive agency rule-making is second to Congressional legislation. All of this falls back on Congress to override, override and restrict.

We elected the Republicans who are in Congress who are enabling all of this. It is up to us to get them out of office and fix the system that makes their districts not competitive.

It’s that Chevron ruling that I’m hoping applies to the upcoming tariff case. What the court said in that case is that congress needs to be more specific when delegating power so that the executive branch does not go beyond the legislative intent and expand its power. I mostly think this is a conservative attempt to stifle the legislative process as the more specific a bill is the harder it will be to pass.

Trump is using emergency powers from an old law to put up his tariff wall just as Biden used powers from an old law to help out some with college loans but the court struck Biden down so if chevron applies here, and it should because of the enormous economic impact of the tariffs something congress never contemplated when passing that law, then Trump should be struck down too.

And if they allow the tariffs to stand they will have their way but if they keep putting politics above the law they will be challenged by a different executive who will point out the inconsistency in their decisions and use that to ignore a decision, one unpopular with the public, and provide his own legal experts to explain in very simple language why the court is mistaken.

Ye shall reap what ye sow.

 

[rareboy]

BASH: The big difference here, as you know, is that this is a broadcast network that was threatened by a govt individual who has oversight over their regulation and potential for mergers

MARKWAYNE MULLIN: Sure, but this is also a network that has not been friendly to this administration whatsoever.


The GQP doesn't even hide it now.

 

[cityboy-stl]

What they want is more like Orbán or Erdoğan. They want to use the military inside the US and not against other countries. A big chunk of Hitler's strategy was land grabs and access to shipping channels. Putin has similar aims but it's caught up in his grand visions of the reconstituting the Russian Empire or the USSR.

You mean land grabs and access to shipping channels like Greenland and the Panama Canal? Taking them by force has not been ruled off the table. Canada if they can?

Orbán's conquering of Hungary has the most similarity. Hungarians are xenophobic. Orbán used this to claim that the immigrants coming into Hungary were threatening their racial purity of the country. He closed the borders. He started rewarding white Hungarian families that produced a lot of babies. He made Hungarians (no strangers to autocrats and dictators) believe that he was the State and that anyone who opposed him was "unHungarian". He used the nationalism to take over industries and the Free Press, either by incorporating them into the State or having his wealthy benefactor cronies buy them. He periodically allows protests, then he cracks down on the protests, just enough make Hungarians believe they still have some freedom and aren't living in an absolute dictatorship. He's perfected a brand of illiberal democracy.

Immigrants and threatening their racial purity of the country? You mean like the Jews and Gypsies threatened Aryan racial purity and had to be "dealt with"? "National Socialism" is not economic socialism, it is white nationalism; building a society based on Aryan racial purity to the exclusion of anyone else.

Hitler closed the boarders and Trump threatened that just last week? "The country may have to be closed for a while".

Rewarding families that produced a lot of babies? No different from Lebensborn and the Hitler Youth. The Nazis encouraged the birth of children deemed “racially valuable” in order to increase Germany’s “Aryan” population.
The White Nationalists in this country doing the same to encourage more "white" babies. They're using their churches to indoctrinate kids into the "Christian Youth". It's more dispersed, but the indoctrination concepts are the same darn thing.

Didn't Hitler use Nationalism to take over the Free Press? Trump is doing it in many ways the same as Goebbels did. And aren't they now just beginning to use nationalist power to buy stakes in Intel and take over media industries. This is only beginning. It's not "Socialism" like some claim. It's fascism, like Mussolini's definition: Fascism="Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”. That's what happening.

What is different in America is that Americans haven't had a dictator since the 1840s. They are a scrappy, fickle, difficult, libertarian people. Trump is unpopular. Congress is unpopular. There is a civil war going on but it is within the Left and the Right... at least so far.

The real civil war is between the top and the bottom.

Much of what has been accomplished in Florida, Texas and Wisconsin (and the Philippines and Uganda) has been because the opposition was weak and disorganized. In Wisconsin, the Democrats finally did get organized and overthrew the Republicans but they haven't had enough power to undo what had been done during the Scott Walker regime.

What happens next depends on whether the Democrats can find a charismatic leader to lead them out of the wilderness. They need to stop wasting time on performative politics and virtue signalling. They need to accept that their old way of government and politics didn't work. They need a plan. They need to stop playing nice and set out to destroy the anti-democratic movement in the Republican Party. That means a Teddy Roosevelt style of breaking up of big monopolies, taxing the ultra-wealthy and reforming the system that has allowed ultrawealthy donors to funnel millions into politics to thwart the democratic process.

Totally agree.

 

[KaraBulut]

This is a good way of branding what is happening: the "Woke Right". And we know this isn't really about Charlie Kirk... it's about opportunism- using certain events to silence and suppress the opposition.

With Calls for Retribution Over Kirk, Some See Rise of a ‘Woke Right’

Conservatives have pressed for consequences for those who make negative comments about Charlie Kirk. But a few on the right say they worry about limits on speech.

www.nytimes.com

With Calls for Retribution Over Kirk, Some See Rise of a ‘Woke Right’

Conservatives have pressed for consequences for those who make negative comments about Charlie Kirk. But a few on the right say they worry about limits on speech.

The anguished calls for retribution have intensified in the week since Charlie Kirk’s assassination, with prominent conservatives waging a campaign to encourage public shaming, firings and the threat of prosecution for those who speak ill of him.

Yet, a few influential supporters of Mr. Kirk are now warning that attacks from the right on political expression could tarnish the legacy of the combative right-wing activist, who was seen as a champion of free speech by his legions of followers.

Tucker Carlson, the conservative writer and podcaster, told listeners this week that Mr. Kirk never would have wanted his death to be used as a pretext for a crackdown on speech.

Hmmm... didn't see this coming. Ted Cruz acting like a Senator?

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www.wsj.com

Ted Cruz’s Finest Hour

The Texas Republican Senator criticizes Brendan Carr’s ‘mafioso’ threats.

After the late-night TV host makes a wrong remark about Charlie Kirk’s killer, FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr threatens to get regulators involved, and shortly later Kimmel's show is dropped by Nexstar and suspended by Disney. Is this a breach of First Amendment free speech?

Most Republicans are afraid of uttering even a syllable of disapproval about the Trump Administration, so kudos to Ted Cruz for noticing the danger from Brendan Carr’s use of regulatory threats to stifle free speech.

The Texas Senator used his podcast on Friday to criticize Mr. Carr, who runs the Federal Communications Commission, for his threats against Disney, its ABC network and its station affiliates if they didn’t punish Jimmy Kimmel. Disney then pulled the late-night host off the air “indefinitely.”

Cruz Calls F.C.C. Threats to Media ‘Dangerous as Hell’

www.nytimes.com

Cruz Calls F.C.C. Threats to Media ‘Dangerous as Hell’

Cruz comments: Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, harshly criticized the Federal Communications Commission chairman, Brendan Carr, accusing him of mafia-like tactics and saying his threat to retaliate against media companies for speech on their airwaves was “dangerous as hell.” President Trump said that news reporters who cover his administration negatively have broken the law, a significant broadening of his attacks on journalists and their First Amendment right to critique the government.

 

[rareboy]

John Oliver has bitten back..shaming Disney.

John Oliver Offers Four Defiant Words of Advice to Disney Over the Kimmel Situation

It works. Try it out, Bob Iger.

www.pajiba.com

 

[rareboy]

 

[KaraBulut]

John Oliver has bitten back..shaming Disney.

John Oliver Offers Four Defiant Words of Advice to Disney Over the Kimmel Situation

It works. Try it out, Bob Iger.

www.pajiba.com

Video link:

Google searches for "how to cancel disney plus" and "how to cancel hulu" have shot up. It's a great way to protest and make Bob Iger nervous.

 

[rareboy]

Well...the talent are signing a letter of support...will they follow it by not working for Disney/ABC or openly condemning the corporation?

400 Celebs Sign Open Letter Backing Jimmy Kimmel, Including Tom Hanks, Meryl Streep, Jennifer Aniston

An ACLU open letter supporting free speech and condemning Kimmel's suspension draws the support of a long list of Hollywood luminaries.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[rareboy]

And.....

Jimmy Kimmel is returning to ABC.

"Last Wednesday, we made the decision to suspend production on the show to avoid further inflaming a tense situation at an emotional moment for our country. It is a decision we made because we felt some of the comments were ill-timed and thus insensitive. We have spent the last days having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy, and after those conversations, we reached the decision to return the show on Tuesday."