Rise of Fascism in the United States [SPLIT]

[Alistair]

 

[cityboy-stl]

Is ANTIFAscism really a violent, extremist movement?

Matthew Cooke is worth following.

 

[KaraBulut]

Maybe this thread needs to be relabeled, "The Rise of Socialism in the United States"?

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/15/trump-xi-china-bessent-price-floor-rare-earth-critical-mineral.html

The Trump administration will set price floors across a range of industries to combat market manipulation by China, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent told CNBC in an exclusive interview Wednesday...

“So we’re going to set price floors and the forward buying to make sure that this doesn’t happen again and we’re going to do it across a range of industries,” the Treasury secretary said, without naming specific industries the administration was looking at beyond rare earths.

Capitalism? Free markets?

 

[rareboy]

Eventually the Oval office will be trying to control the economy to the point where it works for the oligarchs the way they want it to
with bread and circuses for the masses.

It is no surprise that all their policies will then need more policies and then even more policies to make it work...these will be circumvented by the industrialists and capitalists who will find ways to exploit all the way along.

End stage capitalism.

 

[cityboy-stl]

No. Fascism. The people are not paying into this venture for the benefit of the common good.

“Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” — Benito Mussolini

Government and corporations, cooperatively merging, in order to come together to jointly control the economy and dominate the people.
This is what is happening. Fascism.

“The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.... Among us today a concentration of private power without equal in history is growing.” ​

― Franklin Delano Roosevelt

 

[KaraBulut]

No. Fascism. The people are not paying into this venture for the benefit of the common good.

“Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” — Benito Mussolini

I think one of the big issues that the Republican Party has is that it has abandoned its attempt to have an intellectual framework behind it. There was a time when they attempted in the 1970-1990s period to have universities and academics propose solutions and ideas. What we're seeing now is another sign of the MAGA anti-intellectual rot that has taken over the Republican Party.

It is true that all of these political theories have a different facet of how private money and government power interact. It is true that fascism views corporate power as comingled with government power.

Ownership is another issue.

Socialism: The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which the means of production are collectively owned but a completely classless society has not yet been achieved.

When you have government taking ownership stakes in corporations- with ill-defined mechanisms of how stocks become "owned" by government, that's closer to socialism. When Biden and Harris talked about investigating grocery suppliers for price-gouging in 2023-2024, they were accused of being socialists and "price-fixing", with some Republicans going as far as to suggest that Harris was toying with Communism.

Did you see any Republicans shaking their fists and doing interviews on Fox News about the Trump Administration "price-fixing" and socializing corporations? They were awfully mad when Obama and Biden invested taxpayer money in grants to green energy and computer chips. Where's the outrage over having the government having outright ownership stake in private corporations?

Giving $20 billion to Argentine and telling Argentinians to vote for their current leader, "or else" is pretty Soviet-era Communist strategy. These same Republicans railed for years about The Marshall Plan, the IMF and US government "loans" to other countries.

The crowd in government at the moment is so bereft of any intellectual framework, or a organized plan, that it looks chaotic to the point that we can't decide whether it's fascistic or socialistic. They're literally pulling stuff out of their ass on a daily basis without any discussion with experts or academics who actually might know something about what the implications are.

 

[Alistair]

 

[rareboy]

I think one of the big issues that the Republican Party has is that it has abandoned its attempt to have an intellectual framework behind it. There was a time when they attempted in the 1970-1990s period to have universities and academics propose solutions and ideas. What we're seeing now is another sign of the MAGA anti-intellectual rot that has taken over the Republican Party.

It is true that all of these political theories have a different facet of how private money and government power interact. It is true that fascism views corporate power as comingled with government power.

Ownership is another issue.


When you have government taking ownership stakes in corporations- with ill-defined mechanisms of how stocks become "owned" by government, that's closer to socialism. When Biden and Harris talked about investigating grocery suppliers for price-gouging in 2023-2024, they were accused of being socialists and "price-fixing", with some Republicans going as far as to suggest that Harris was toying with Communism.

Did you see any Republicans shaking their fists and doing interviews on Fox News about the Trump Administration "price-fixing" and socializing corporations? They were awfully mad when Obama and Biden invested taxpayer money in grants to green energy and computer chips. Where's the outrage over having the government having outright ownership stake in private corporations?

Giving $20 billion to Argentine and telling Argentinians to vote for their current leader, "or else" is pretty Soviet-era Communist strategy. These same Republicans railed for years about The Marshall Plan, the IMF and US government "loans" to other countries.

The crowd in government at the moment is so bereft of any intellectual framework, or a organized plan, that it looks chaotic to the point that we can't decide whether it's fascistic or socialistic. They're literally pulling stuff out of their ass on a daily basis without any discussion with experts or academics who actually might know something about what the implications are.

No one is batting an eye about the $20 billion for Argentina because it is all going to Bessent's friends...the lenders. And now Trump is about to peel off another $20 billion for Argentina's loans.

 

[rareboy]

Meanwhile...part of me so wishes I could feel badly about Bolton being indicted on 18 counts and I have no doubt he will beat all the charges...but this is the guy who helped enable Trump in the first term.

This is the guy who kept all the terrible stuff for his own book.

This is the guy getting his face eaten by the monster he helped create.

 

[rareboy]

 

[cityboy-stl]

Meanwhile...part of me so wishes I could feel badly about Bolton being indicted on 18 counts and I have no doubt he will beat all the charges...but this is the guy who helped enable Trump in the first term.

This is the guy who kept all the terrible stuff for his own book.

This is the guy getting his face eaten by the monster he helped create.

Not to mention James Comey. He was instrumental to Trump's election in 2016 when, 10 days before the election, he reopened the email case against Hillary Clinton in 2016. Trump might have lost if hadn't helped create the monster as well. Now Comey was indicted too.

 

[rareboy]

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[rareboy]

These are the future leadership of the GQP...more dangerous than the gerontocracy presiding over the fall of democracy in the US.

 

[rareboy]

A protest is not an isurrection.

But this is a new wrinkle. Governors using the National Guard as policemen and enforcers?

And probably he can do this under the state constitution.

 

[rareboy]

Worth the read from Adam Kinzinger...knockng down Vance's excuse for these 30 something adults as 'kids will be kids.'

The GOP’s Young ‘Leaders’ Aren’t Kids — They’re Adults Praising Hitler

There’s a world of difference between gallows humor and glorifying genocide — one saves your sanity, the other kills your soul.

adamkinzinger.substack.com

 

[rareboy]

The US looking to buy itself a fascist regime in Argentina?...bearing in mind that the money will actually be going to Bessent's Wall Street financier friends and not into the Argentinian vaults except for likely Millei taking a cut. And USAID used to go to a lot of farmers in the US.

 

[rareboy]

And there you go folks.

TrumpCo. now will have their case in front of the US SC. On the shadow docket.

In front of the 6 people who have already named him King.

This is the case that will tip the balance and make the US a military autocracy. It will strip States Rights and clear the way for Trump to declare an invasion into every city in the US under any pretext.

Trump administration asks Supreme Court to allow deployment of National Guard in Chicago area

The Trump administration is asking the Supreme Court to allow the deployment of National Guard troops in the Chicago area, escalating President Donald Trump’s conflict with Democratic governors over using the military on U.S. soil.

apnews.com

 

[KaraBulut]

A protest is not an isurrection.

But this is a new wrinkle. Governors using the National Guard as policemen and enforcers?

And probably he can do this under the state constitution.

These guys. The Few. The Proud. The Green Beignets.

 

[KaraBulut]

"I'm really not happy".

https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/16/us/illinois-judge-trump-chicago-protesters

Federal judge demands answers from Trump admin on following order to avoid violent encounters with Chicago protesters

The sign outside the door said Courtroom 1403. But inside, it felt a lot more like the principal’s office.

“I’m not happy,” US District Judge Sara Ellis said Thursday in a stern tone no student – or attorney – wants to hear. “I’m really not happy.”

One week after the judge issued a sweeping order trying to calm the intense response of federal agents to protests against Immigration and Customs Enforcement and US Border Patrol activities in Chicago, Ellis told both sides to come back to her courtroom to have their own intense discussion.

“I live in Chicago, if folks haven’t noticed, and I’m not blind, right?” Ellis opened the hearing. “So, I don’t live in a cave. I have a phone. I have a TV. I have a computer and I tend to get news.”

 

[rareboy]

^ What needs to happen though is for some actual charges to be laid against ICE.

To demonstrate that they actually are not above the law.

But no one seems to want to do that.