Romney's Speech Insures His election

[chance1]

I cited other articles other then the LA Times Article. You just skim and refuse to read them. People aren't running this... I don't know. It's a nasty part of America's history and it effects both political parties... but it really hits the Reaganite bullsh*t artists the most.

And it's "D'Aubuisson". I cited a Huffington Post article before too. You can draw the links. Those families Romney took money to start up Bain Capital funded ARENA and its paramilitary groups. ARENA was founded by D'Aubuisson who had a fully active part of the group until his death (he died from cancer, never facing justice).

The other reason this isn't gaining traction (yet) is because it doesn't directly involve America. That's the sad part. But many Latinos already know this. This story isn't new. It was first done by the WAshington Post back in the 1990s.

This is just a topic you should stay away from. I specialized in Latin American politics throughout my education, especially with regards to Central America.

you're right - i've discounted the other sources - focused on the LA Times article which does not mention D'Aubbuison

And perhaps the non US angle supplies cover - but again, if this story had any legs, it would be on MSNBC - perhaps this is an October surprise - and then you'll cum for a week

i can see that you're into this one and close to home so .......... my bad

 

[Rolyo85]

Giancarlo might be putting words in your mouth for the sake of making you sound outrageous, but he does have a certain point. Just because you love each other and you are together, and just because you don't need the outside world to "legitimize" your relationship, doesn't mean that you are "a family". A family is a social unit, and as such, it is only as valid as the people around it think it is. Your friends in NJ are together, and unified in many ways perhaps, but they ARE less of a "family" than your cousin in CA. It's just a sad fact.

 

[chance1]

Giancarlo might be putting words in your mouth for the sake of making you sound outrageous, but he does have a certain point. Just because you love each other and you are together, and just because you don't need the outside world to "legitimize" your relationship, doesn't mean that you are "a family". A family is a social unit, and as such, it is only as valid as the people around it think it is. Your friends in NJ are together, and unified in many ways perhaps, but they ARE less of a "family" than your cousin in CA. It's just a sad fact.

again, why are you imposing YOUR standards on another

marriage is frowned upon by a lot of gays - who reject the str8-like copy - who reject the notion of marriages, 50% of which end in divorce - it's us doing what str8 people do

this is not an isolated Loki POV

I for one would want to get married and having that right is awesome but not for all

you have to stop imposing your view of thing - especially personal things - on others

 

[Benvolio]

Anyone who has any understanding of El Salvadorean history would know that ARENA was backed by 12 rich families in El Salvador, and some of those families funded Romney to start-up Bain capital. ARENA was founded by D'Aubuisson. The US was knee deep in that conflict...

How difficult is this to grasp? This story does have legs. Tell me how the f-k it has no legs?

It's very clear and it's already been established. This story isn't new. It will come up.

This is ancient history. It sounds like Iran Contra regurgitated which did not harm GHWBush. There is no claim
that what Romney did was illegal.

 

[TX-Beau]

maybe it's semantics, but I disagree.

until they're rounding up gays and putting them in camps for living together, I chose not to give a piece of paper the power to define what constitutes love or a family.

(which isn't to say that all the legal rights aren't important, but I wouldn't say that my gay friends in NJ who are civil union'd are somehow less of a family than my gay cousin in CA who's married)

Unfortunately for you, there is a legal definition of what a state sanctioned family rights endowed union is. WHICH IS WHY THERE IS SO MUCH LITIGATION ON THE SUBJECT!

Can't be clearer than that. Pretending gay couples ARE NOT discriminated against, and that discrimination somehow doesn't exist so long as you "feel" you are a family is just a cop out.

And ignoring the reality. It's not "semantics," it's law. Tlaking about love is very touchy feely of you, but implying that the licence doesn't matter if you just "love" each other and that you are not going to give that piece of paper any sway, is indeed saying....

...It's not the back of the bus unless you FEEL it's the back of the bus...

No, It's the back of the fucking bus. Your friends where there is no gay marriage ARE NOT A FAMILY UNDER THE LAW. However you "feel" about it.

 

[Kulindahr]

Your D'Aubisson link is the troubling one - where is it in the LA Times article?

sorry for your friend but that doesn't put it on Romney

why isn't msnbc running with this? they begging for romney material

call chris matthews

Chance, this is childish. The LA Times article talked about the link to death squads. Just because they didn't name names is irrelevant. You're like a little kid whining that his sandbox is crap because the sand doesn't have the name of the beach it came from on it.

 

[Kulindahr]

you're right - i've discounted the other sources - focused on the LA Times article which does not mention D'Aubbuison

And perhaps the non US angle supplies cover - but again, if this story had any legs, it would be on MSNBC - perhaps this is an October surprise - and then you'll cum for a week

So you admit you chose one source and discounted the others because that one gave you an angle for being snide. Are you serious about dismissing the United States Institute for Peace? Makes you look pretty foolish.

 

[Kulindahr]

It's not ancient history. This is very relevant because the buffoon is running for office right now. This isn't anything regurgitated. This is established. And if you are going to equate GHWB with Romney... you're more wrong then I thought.

For sure. Participating in increasing the fortunes of people who are using their money to finance fascist paramilitary operations is not something that can just be dismissed. He claims to have checked his investors out, which means he knew about the terrorist connection -- and still took their money. By silence he gave tacit approval to their murderous minions.

If Obama hanging around with a terrorist was relevant -- which many in the GOP insisted it was (including some here), then the connection between Romney and death squads is relevant. In fact, it can be considered far more relevant, because if those investors were actively engaged in funding such terrorism at the time they invested, it can be argued that by helping increase their fortunes Romney was aiding them in committing multiple murders.

 

[Kulindahr]

Unfortunately for you, there is a legal definition of what a state sanctioned family rights endowed union is. WHICH IS WHY THERE IS SO MUCH LITIGATION ON THE SUBJECT!

Can't be clearer than that. Pretending gay couples ARE NOT discriminated against, and that discrimination somehow doesn't exist so long as you "feel" you are a family is just a cop out.

And ignoring the reality. It's not "semantics," it's law. Tlaking about love is very touchy feely of you, but implying that the licence doesn't matter if you just "love" each other and that you are not going to give that piece of paper any sway, is indeed saying....

...It's not the back of the bus unless you FEEL it's the back of the bus...

No, It's the back of the fucking bus. Your friends where there is no gay marriage ARE NOT A FAMILY UNDER THE LAW. However you "feel" about it.

A parallel: blacks had the right to sit in the front of the bus, drink from any fountain they liked, and eat at any restaurant of their choosing. That right came from being human. But they weren't allowed to exercise that right without being penalized or punished.

It's the same with a family: if people decide to be a family, they're a family -- but the state may not recognize that family.

 

[chrisrobin]

Anyways, Romney was giving those rich families a way to invest their money overseas... and that's the scary part of the whole thing. Romney must have been incredibly naive. He took the money in 1984, at the height of the Salvadorean civil war.

Of all the criticisms I can heap on Romney, naivete is not one of them. He knew damned well what he was doing.

 

[Benvolio]

What Romney did or did not do was not illegal. Rational Americans are not going to allow ourselves to be stuck with four more disastrous year of Obama because of something that happened in Central America years ago. If the communists had come to power in El Salvador, far more people would have been killed, and the people would now be living like those of Cuba and North Korea.

 

[rareboy]

^ But then some would defend the holocaust if Hitler was a Republican.

 

[chance1]

^ laziness Kanadian style

 

[Benvolio]

Neither I nor the rest of Americans know or care much about that old history. Sure, its too bad peolpe were killed. But there are alwys nasty things going on down there. Now its Mexico, Venezuela, Colombia, Cuba etc etc. No reason to allow it to influence our elections.

 

[Kulindahr]

FWIW....

My college Spanish professor made many trips to a number of countries in Latin America. One trip to El Salvador, a friend met him at his hotel and told him he'd better go right back to the airport, because if he stayed in the country he'd be killed. Someone had decided he was a communist sympathizer.

So he left the country and returned to the US. Back home, he called his friend to thank him. There was no answer. A few days later he got a message: on leaving the hotel, his friend had been seized and dragged into a car. The body was found in an alley.

The police knew of no reason he should have been killed, except that he had warned an American to go back home.

 

[maxpowr9]

How the fuck did this topic dissolve into talking about Latin American countries. WTH is a mod to close this thread for being derailed.

 

[Kulindahr]

How the fuck did this topic dissolve into talking about Latin American countries. WTH is a mod to close this thread for being derailed.

Huh?

It's still talking about Romney, because he has a connection to those Latin American countries -- he helped enrich the people who funded the death squads, so arguably he bears responsibility for those deaths.

And that's on topic because information abounds showing that Romney has no character: he can't be trusted, he has no regard for human life, he has no sense of responsibility toward his own country; all he wants is to continue his pattern of ripping off the taxpayers to get what he wants. His speech is irrelevant, because all the rest of this overwhelms any good content in that speech.

 

[chrisrobin]

ROMNEY THE JOB CREATOR

Romney Press Conference On Economic Stimulus Vetoes (6/24/06) - YouTube

...or was that Romney the snake oil salesman?

I've been slimed.​

 

[Kulindahr]

If it's him, it takes time to turn things around; if it's Obama, the results have to be instant.


I vote "snake oil salesman".

 

[bankside]

It takes brass, as they say to run on a platform of "Obama didn't make it any easier" while simultaneously promising "We will do the right thing, but times will be hard."

Obama is trying to make life better for people, and struggling.
Romney is promising to make life harder for people, and he would succeed if given the chance.