Roseanne apologizes

[J-23]

She definitely gets credit for truly apologizing. Especially after Mel Gibson/Isaiah Washington/Michael Richards' lame-ass "I'm only sorry that I was caught" apologies. And extra points for eschewing a promise of entering rehab.

 

[khushibagh]

I agree with Soilwork. Roseanne is great.

To be entirely honest, I don't think she was that far off with her comments. One should never make sweeping generalizations (which is what she's apologizing for), but there are A LOT of gay people who just love to play the gay card. To them, it trumps all other issues. It's not right.

I agree with you completely.

 

[Pushover]

I agree with you completely.

Me, too. I think some of what she said was the honest truth.

Then again, people with a specific handicap/business/social class/whatever in common with others of in the same situation, it tends to dominate their thinking.

 

[slobone]

^^^ I'm not sure who you guys are thinking of when you say that. There are plenty of gay men who are active in promoting other causes as well. Like Andrew Sullivan (who I almost always disagree with), or Barney Frank.

The problem is, though, that once you get identified as a "gay spokesman", the networks aren't going to book you to talk about anything else.

As for the rest of us who aren't famous, hell, I for one only pay attention to gay issues maybe 20% of the time. And if it weren't for JUB it would be closer to zero.

 

[Joshua_me]

Well now, don't get me wrong, I *do* like her...
Hell, I don't think there's an episode of 'Roseanne' that I haven't seen at
least three times.

But.

She has a history of doing and saying things that are totally out of character and come out of left field.

The star-spangled banner thing, of course, and she's said various things about her family members that she later denies, or blames on the prescriptions she's taking.

I remember back in her 'married to Tom Arnold days' she gave an interview to Playboy magazine in which she said, "I didn't truly know what it felt like to be a woman until the night Tom shoved me up against a wall and raped me up my ass."

She stood by this statement for sometime, then eventually just said 'some people don't know how to take a joke'.

I'm fairly certain I'm a person that can 'take a joke', but even to have the mind to make a comment like that disturbs me.

 

[slobone]

^^^ But that's her whole thing, to be as outrageous as possible. Otherwise, who would pay any attention to her? She's not going to make it on her looks -- or her intellect.

She's like Anna Nicole, just smart enough to know people can't take their eyes off a train wreck. Crazy like a fox?

 

[doctorsun]

What do you mean by "play the gay card"?

I mean they use it as their excuse for all of their problems and as a way to put their issues above those of others. It's their trump card. "I didn't get the job because I'm gay." etc... It may be true in many cases, but there are people who turn everything into an issue concerning their sexuality.

It's the same as the race card. "I didn't get the job because I'm black..."

 

[slobone]

But here's the thing -- nobody ever says, I got my job because I'm straight, I got my job because I'm white, I got my job because I'm young or goodlooking or whatever. It's only the outsiders who really see what goes on in this country. So it's hard to criticize gay men for being a little over-sensitive and maybe exaggerating their grievances.

If gay people didn't holler bloody murder every time they were discriminated against, you can be sure none of the straight people would have the slightest idea that there was a problem. Do you think the government would have spent one cent on AIDS if it weren't for groups like ACT UP?

Or civil unions, hate crime legislation, anti-employment discrimination (in the states that have them) -- would never have happened if gay people didn't make big pains in the asses out of themselves.

 

[Hard Luck]

In the same week where Don Imus gives the standard corporate apology, it was nice that Roseanne's at least was worded how a person speaks - and thus designed to appear more sincere.

I have no reason to doubt her apology IS sincere ... and, as I posted in the thread about her faux pas speech, I understand what she was trying to say but worded poorly.

We all trip over our tongues once in a while. We just don't happen to have a microphone nearby when it happens.

 

[sentirpromesas]

actually i completely agree with her...the gay community has historically not represented the minorities that are included in its constituents...what has happened to the undocumented queers? or poor queers? their issues have all been ignored, lost in a culture of affluence and disposable income.....yes we are oppressed, and we have work to do, but we must not forget those less fortunate who are oppressed along side us similarly and differently...my former bf was undocumented, and we got the most shit from gay bars and taverns when he would try to use his Consular ID (which chicago has legal accepted as identification) to get in...i dont see why she should apologize for saying what is slowly happening to the gay community, that at one time united to many causes in the 60s

 

[metta]

I mean they use it as their excuse for all of their problems and as a way to put their issues above those of others. It's their trump card. "I didn't get the job because I'm gay." etc... It may be true in many cases, but there are people who turn everything into an issue concerning their sexuality.

It's the same as the race card. "I didn't get the job because I'm black..."

I guess I have never met a gay person like that before. I don't know where these gay people that use the so called "gay card" are.

I see the opposite problem. I wish more gay people would more openly support equality for all people. I'm more concerned with apathy than someone using the "gay card" which I still wonder if it even exists.