Rosie O'Donnell and Kelly Rippa Get Into It On The View

[james1200]

boomer, the only thing i think people are pissy about is the fact that rosie accused kelly of being homophobic right out of the gate...it was kind of a ridiculous leap to make. as a woman, rosie should understand that women generally don't like to be touched by strangers...and we should all be happy that kelly was so offended by rosie's remark instead of just shrugging her shoulders by the way. i think kelly's reaction shows she's not homophobic.

 

[duroc5088]

i just watched the clip provided by james1200, and it seems to me that Rosie made a big deal out of nothing. Bottom line, Clay was wrong to have done that whether he was joking or not. And it seems to me that the entire aquardness only lasted about 10 seconds and then the show was back to normal. i don't really see what all the fuss was about.

Dirk

 

[RyzeAbove]

Thats gross that he put his hand on her face. I wouldnt want anyone to put their hand on my face. I can see what shes talking about.

 

[guy123]

Some gays throw around the "H" word way too much...

And for the record, rosie gives gays a bad name

 

[lurker]

This whole thing is wayy blown out of proportion. I saw the clip with Clay covering Kelly's mouth... it wasn't THAT big of a deal. Kelly didn't even sound angry when he did it.

This is only a big deal and in the news because of Rosie. It's like she already knows Clay is gay, thus causing her to think, "homophobic!"

I'm mostly with Kelly on this...

 

[KentuckyPython]

If he'd put his hand over my mouth, I'd have decked his ass. And I doubt I'm homophobic.

 

[Dave_83]

Oh god, come people it's not liek this was as overblown as people are making it.

Watch the fucking video it's so civilized it's not even funny.

In fact they both quite made it clear how they felt in the end.

She was not out of line. She stated an opinion Kelly called in. Rosie said how she felt, Kelly said how she felt, and they blood conceded. People are acitng like it was some sort of outrageous feud.

Honestly?

EDIT: Oh yeah, and that's Effortless "Boomer" Pro. Sheesh.



No seriously. I mean I wouldn't say Rosie was out of line, but it seemed to get resolved. When Kelly called in she said something pretty stupid. "It's not always about homophobia".

Seriously why is this such a big issue for some petty little squabble between Rosie mis-interpretation of something, and Kelly's remark to Aiken?

I'm not defending Aiken, here, nor am I defending Rosie and Kelly. I think it was pretty clear they settled their differences about "what happened" when Kelly called in.

Seriously no LINE was crossed between Kelly and Rosie.

That was a good post, and I see your point Effortless "Boomer" Pro. But at the same time Rosie kept defending her remarks AFTER Kelly made it clear of her actions. Rosie should have at least said 'I apologize for my remarks. They were inappropriate." But yeah, I hope this doesnt get THAT overblown and made into a bigger issue than it is.

 

[Dave_83]

I'll say it again. She's done more for the gay community than a lot of the peopel on this board.

That's just a statement of ignorance.

I agree. Saying Rosie gives gays a bad name makes me sad. The amount of hard work and personal anguish she had to go through was extreme. And all to progress us in society (well at least in the states)She just over-reacted. It happens.

 

[guy123]

I'll say it again. She's done more for the gay community than a lot of the peopel on this board.

That's just a statement of ignorance.

Oh be quiet, don't be so quick to make such an insulting comment. Jerry Falwell has done alot for the Christian community, and according to your logic that means he gives a good name to christians? Very few people I know have a good opinion of her, even among many gays that remains true. They see all of her crazy coments she makes all the time and the average person looks at her negatively for it. They relate her to homosexuality, therefore negatively effecting the view of homosexuality, whether rightfully so or not. Yes, her intentions may be good, but the same could be said with falwell...

 

[Andreus]

one

Clay Aiken is a first class nut job, and his sexuality is second to that

two

Kelly Rippa is a media whore who would lick her own asshole if she could get press out of it.

three

having a voice out there like Rosies questioning the behaviors of people can only help

even if she was wrong this time, people will think twice before they engage in homophobic BS

four

all parties benefitted from this thing.... as Madonna once said, bad press is better than no press.

 

[james1200]

whatever good rosie may or may not have done that doesn't change the fact that she has a lousy personality. i'm off this week so i watched the view yesterday and she was kinda tame but she obviously isn't allowed to be her real self...the self that apparently peeked out today. i'll take kelly's bimbo ass any day. and andreus, if she can lick her own asshole somebody should pay-per-view it. i'd pay.

 

[Soilwork]

I don't have a TV, but if I did, I'd never watch anything with Kelly Rippa unless it was a televised execution.

from reading what she said to him, it TOTALLY sounds homophobic, and wether he was an asshole or not (and I'd Pay BIG BUCKS to see that closet loser get tarred and feathered in a snake pit), I think Rosie was in her rights to point that out.

Kelly Rippa calling the show was obnoxious and stupid, and I think Rosie can do no wrong... she says things that get press and viewership and drama. I also think she was right... "I don't know where that hand has been" isn't what Kelly Rippa would have said to a straight man.

And you can't "Re-out" someone. He's already been outed.

 

[guy123]

Okay fine I'll make another.

Some "gays" don't throw around the "H" word enough.

I don't think you can compare Rosie to Jerry, kind of polar opposites right there.

Whether you like it or not, she's done a hell of a lot for the Gay Community in the respects of Gay Rights among other things. I fail to see how you ignorance is as insulting as you saying she gives us a bad name.

Falwell protested at Matthew Shepard's funeral. I'd hardly say that's condusive to spreading "god's love".

So instead of replying with a logical argument you simply reply by insulting me and putting forth information that doesn't hurt my argument? Oh, I know your kind.

"I don't think you can compare Rosie to Jerry, kind of polar opposites right there."
Politically, yes, but with making comments that hurt their cause, then no.

"Whether you like it or not, she's done a hell of a lot for the Gay Community in the respects of Gay Rights among other things."
Did I say otherwise? No, I didn't. Falwell has done a hell of a lot for the far-right christian community too. Once again, I'll repeat myself, i'm sure her intentions are well, she just has to be way more careful, because whether you like it or not, when she makes those comments people look at her negatively, and since they relate her to homosexuality, it causes them to look more negatively on homosexuality. Same can be said with Falwell, except with the christian community.

 

[guy123]

I'm sorry I fail to see the insult.

Hey if you wanna go around slandering somebody like Rosie who's pracically paved the way for Gay adoption that's all fine and dandy.

My kind eh? That's cute. Falwell's intentions aren't well. If inciting ill-will is WELL then you've got some strange thoughts of what good and well is.

Rosie speaking out against homophobia is hardly hurting the Gay community.


Really my kind?

Not debunking you points at all?

Pick and choose what you want and think you're right, but comparing Rosie toe Jerry is like comparing Barney to Hitler. Although I'm sure you could...."oh yeah and YOUR KIND."


eeeyup. No insults in your post at all.

"I fail to see how you ignorance is as insulting as you saying she gives us a bad name."
That is not an insult? Well I guess we have different definitions of the word...

Falwell's intentions are meant to help his community with his views, if it sounded like I was supporting his cause then my post was misinterpreted.

Rosie talking out about homophobia is not necessarily hurting the gay community as long as she does it well. Calling people homophobes over such petty things does though, and we can't forget her comment claiming conservative christians are just as much of a threat to the US than radical islam. I mean, i disagrree with most conservatives, but to say that is ridiculous.

And once again, I was not comparing rosie and falwell's ideologies..

If you reply again, this time actually debate the main points i made, thank you.

 

[james1200]

do you want me to get into my cylon fighter and vaporize him?

 

[guy123]

Nah, maybe this time I'll just try and belittle you. No you compared her to him, you said she's bad for the gay community.

Falwell hasn't put his community forward. Roise has. I believe one of the "conservative chistians" she was referring to was Falwell.

It's also ridiculous to say she gives "gays" a bad name.


Calling you ingnorant isn't an insult, your comment was what was ignorant.
If you really think that she's that bad, then you better go lynch all the peopel who are bad for their community then.

I think you've belittled yourself...

I did compare the two, your point? I even said I did.

I'd say he has helped his community, he has a thriving organization and has received millions in fundraising for his work.

I think this is the third time i'm saying this, but please reply to my argument which I stated and repeated in an earlier post. Don't just call the other viewpoint ridiculous. If everyone did that what would debates consist of?

I don't even know what you mean by your last point. Why would I want to lynch her? I don't think she is a bad person, she just makes alot of stupid comments, just like falwell, and no, I am not comparing their ideologies!

 

[guy123]

Fine your first point ever made.

She's not giving the gay community a bad name. IN fact she's done mroe good than harm. But people seem to look at the little things and make big deals about them.

I did not insult you. I merely stated your statement was full of ignorance which it was. If you take that as an insult. go ahead. It surely wasn't. You snippy response and haughty replies are rather inane and silly. If you can't take your own medicine that's just fine too.

Quite simply, I think before you go shooting your mouth off saying how someone who has done so much good is bad for the gay community.


Falwell is sending his community back, and do little good for it as a "Chirstian" whole. Perhaps he's good for his minority followers but other than that comparing him to her is Ludacris.

Please stop jumping to so many conclusions.

She made alot of great contributions but that is not what is publicized, what is publicized is all of her comments. Then it just goes into the point i made ealier which i don't feel like typing up again since i know you've read it twice.

By looking at your post i'd say you have been alot more "haughty and inane" than me. You've rarely replied to my main points throughout this debate yet acted as if there is no possibly way you are wrong.

She has done good, but her public image is negative. That conveys a negative view on homosexuals. That is my point.

I simply compared the two about how they both make ridiculous comments sometimes, and how if this argument was switched around about falwell we'd see a very different opinion. He has helped his community regardless of whether you see it is wrong. His community sees him as being right. We see him as being wrong. To say comparing the two is ludacris is simply because you're letting our ideology get in the way.

 

[guy123]

Actually, Rosie was very much in denial and actually promoting a public crush on Tom Cruise when I was coming to terms with my homosexuality and attempting to muster the courage to come out of the closet. Was she ashamed? Did she fear public rejection and monetary loss? Like I said, she even demonized folks who suggested she come out of the closet. Whatever the reason, her closet status wasn't very helpful to my self-esteem.

I don't wish to discredit her good deeds, but for her to now cynically "out" a reportedly gay celebrity is a bit more than I can bear.

Very good point. I didn't know that, it is very telling.

 

[NedNickerson]

I can understand Kelly Ripa's reaction. It is flu and cold season. I keep wipes on hand at my job to wipe down my cubicle and keyboard, since I share with other people. Also, I've noticed some guys don't wash their hands before exiting the restroom.

Clay put his hand on her mouth, and who knows where his hand had been? Had he used the restroom just minutes before? Did he wash his hands? Did he pick his nose backstage?

People constantly lick their lips to keep them moist, and when a person talks, the lips tend to dry out faster. So some time after Clay had placed his (dirty?) hand on Kelly's lips, she would eventually have to lick them. Also, it's possible his palm may have reached up as high as her nose - another entry way for viruses.

Also, some women are particular about their makeup - and I suppose lipstick and rouge could be smudged by someone placing their hand over one's face.

As for Rosie, is she just trying to remind everyone that she's a lesbian and looking for ways to bring gay issues into The View? Or is she really so insecure that she's actually offended by something that Kelly Ripa says...?

 

[Dave_83]

I don't have a TV, but if I did, I'd never watch anything with Kelly Rippa unless it was a televised execution.

from reading what she said to him, it TOTALLY sounds homophobic, and wether he was an asshole or not (and I'd Pay BIG BUCKS to see that closet loser get tarred and feathered in a snake pit), I think Rosie was in her rights to point that out.

Kelly Rippa calling the show was obnoxious and stupid, and I think Rosie can do no wrong... she says things that get press and viewership and drama. I also think she was right... "I don't know where that hand has been" isn't what Kelly Rippa would have said to a straight man.

And you can't "Re-out" someone. He's already been outed.

Oh please. Give Kelly Ripa some credit. She is on national television. She (or anyone else) wouldnt DARE to make a homophobic comment like that. Rosie is being her over deffensive self. ANYONE could have covered Kelly's mouth and she would have said the same thing. It was a rude and unprofessional thing to do. If anyone put there hand on my mouth like that I would have said the same thing. WE don't know where other people's hands have been. JUST consider the situation. She is on a widely watched television show.... it was NOT homophobic. Just watch the damn clip.

And is it even possible to be called a homophobe when the person you’re talking about isn’t even gay? Well, openly gay. Sure he's been OUTED. but what has he confirmed? NOTHING