Rosie O'Donnell: "Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam..."

[bike10]

I support her right to free speech in this country what is left of free speech. For two long we have had to listen the hate of the moral majority, the religious right and Bush white house as to our lifestyle.

 

[Homoaffectional]

So, when a loud and pushy woman utters a provocative opinion, does it color your view of all women? What about minorities? When a latino says something polarizing, does it inform your view of latinos in general?

The sad answer is, knowing these people, and their tendency to stereotype and pigeon-hole, which they often project on others, and claim it's *them* that's the problem when it's actually... well... *them* (meaning the people who say don't say this or else *they* will think 'we're' all like that {you're not one of us, thanks - you may be gay or whatever, but..} )

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Rosie O'Donnell: "Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam...

Actually the puppy was putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about tolerance. I'm not asking for anyone to tolerate anything - but I am commanding them to mind their own business, and keep out of mine.

Unfortunately, the puppy is with the side that likes to stick their noses into everyone's private lives, and try to control everyone. Apparently you're on that side as well. And you both need to kill yourselves - nothing worse than anti-gay gays.

I just re-read all this, and....
I don't see any anti-gay gays, I see people who disagree with you. Apparently you aren't asking anyone to tolerate anything because YOU don't -- you want all gays to fit into your mold, or kill themselves.
Most people grow out of that somewhere before puberty, dude.
Grow up.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Rosie O'Donnell: "Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam...

I see no evidence that Christian Fundamentalism is anywhere near the threat.

These people and organzations are often extremely wealthy, many with broadcast time on television and radio. These fundamentalists, these "Christofascists," to use your sort of phraseology, are welcome in the White House and are treated as special guests of the president himself. They have positioned themselves in the judiciary, including the Supreme Court, and in the government as a whole. These are strategies, these are organized efforts by groups of people working in concert, working toward mutually shared and targeted goals. These goals are essentially about control of all people and establishment of a theocratic government. How can you deny this truth?

Could be a matter of where you stand politically.

Or how blind?
Kinda like our comrade I-Heart-Menz, who can't see what he's looking right at.

I say blind because depending on where you live, you may have to rub shoulders with these people. My former church has the distinction of being home to the local Republican chairperson... who claims to be a "libertarian" working within the Republican party. He wants to make divorce except for domestic violence a felony, make gay promiscuity a felony bringing a life sentence, establish "moral requisites" for public office, require (Christian) prayer in schools, courts, the legislature, all school graduations, etc. He's friends with some sheriff's deputies to whom "perverts and homosexuals" is redundant phrasing, and who twist the law to arrest people for what THEY think is wrong, not what the legislature meant -- and they get away with it because we have two out of three judges who are too tired of their jobs to give a shit any more and just support whatever the cops do.
And they're in the town and the county: wanting to outlaw Spandex clothing as too revealing, make it a crime to be seen in public with your underwear showing -- not in your underwear, but with it showing, a la hiked up above your pants! One item I'll agree with; they want a law to make it illegal for an officer of the law to curse or even raise his voice to a citizen -- "his", of course, because female law officers should be in the office, where it's safe....

If this goes on, we may need to organize our own militia, call it the "Rainbow Rifles", to stand for our rights.

And, grasping at the actual topic, it's people like Rosie who around here people take as proof that gays are evil, horrid people who should at the least be sterilized.

 

[james1200]

i feel so bad for the kulindahar's of this forum, those right wing gays here who grew up in these super conservative states in which they undoubtedly grew up being told how evil they were...it's so obvious they've absorbed all that hatred and are filled with self-loathing...it's so obvious they identify with the same people and political party that thinks they're inhuman because they've internalized the horrible things they know their family, neighbors and church think of them. guys, you're no different than my ancestors who were forced to pick cotton and so psychologically raped and beaten down that they believed what the slave masters taught them about their inherent inferiority...hope you someday get a malcolm x and martin luther of your own who can teach you some self respect.



and oh...once again, i say thank god for my great pinko state of massachussets which keeps these religious nutbags at bay.

 

[lukylok]

I don't even know who Rosie is, as her fame has not crossed the waters. But it is certain than any religious radical is dangerous. The three monotheist religions have caused more deaths than the last two world wars, and still talk about peace and neighbour's love.....
Just remember spanish inquisition, the conquista of Central America, "holy wars", and the rest.
How any gay can still be entrapped in those lies is beyond me.
They all tried to burn us at the stake !!!!!!!

 

[runner]

What amazes me is that so many people think that Rosie knows what she is talking about.

 

[KennyD]

Well ; I for one, would rather believe what Rosie has to say than the mad ravings of someone like Jerry Falwell , Anita Bryant ect ...
Actually; Rosie is a very intelligent person ..she just has a loud- rough way of expressing herself .. BUT; she DOES know what she's talking about , I believe ..

 

[snapcat]

I have split off some posts replying to an insulting remark posted here in this thread. Yes, Kuli and IC07 there were a couple of posts from you guys.

I have addressed the issue of the insulting remark with that poster.

Some of the split off posts could be returned here after I delete the portion of the post which deals with the insulting remark. I'm not going to do that now, but I will come back to it later on. Some of those posts were off-topic, btw.

I'm posting it so that there is full disclosure on the missing posts and in hopes that no one alledges a sinister plot is afoot to silence everyone.

 

[snoopydog]

Name one religion whose congregation will say

"You're gay? Great! So is our holy man!"

and I'll join that religion. Until then, they all have the same message:

Believe as I do, worship as I do, or you'll be punished by our omnipotent super-duper-being.

JM2

 

[james1200]

name one religion? well, there are subsets of christianity that are accepting...the unitarians are fantastic...there's that break-off subset of catholticsm...i forget what it's called...the buddhists aren't about judgement at all so there you go...that's at least three...it's just that most people like following hate mongers because they have an innate need to feel superior to someone...since you can't look down on blacks and other racial minorities from the pulpit anymore, at least publicly, the fags will do.

 

[KennyD]

I know this is repetative BUT ... Unity, Metropolitian Community Church, and MOST of you Christian Spiritualist will welcome Gay and /or Lesbians with open arms ..
I personally served as Assistant Pastor to two Christian Spiritualist Churches and in one of those churches ; the senior pastor was very much openly gay and his Partner came to all the services and took part in all church activities ...
I have sat on the board of no less than four Christian Spiritualist Churches ... one of which was ran by a lesbian ..who was the senior pastor ..
So; NOT all religions and faits are anti gay ; so I wish some folks would quit using religion as an excuse .....to ?????

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Rosie O'Donnell: "Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam...

name one religion? well, there are subsets of christianity that are accepting...the unitarians are fantastic...there's that break-off subset of catholticsm...i forget what it's called...the buddhists aren't about judgement at all so there you go...that's at least three...it's just that most people like following hate mongers because they have an innate need to feel superior to someone...since you can't look down on blacks and other racial minorities from the pulpit anymore, at least publicly, the fags will do.

I think there's an extremely important insight in that final statement!

Judging and condemning others is a human trait in all areas of endeavor. I think God let it be part of the Old Testament because there wasn't any way to eradicate it at the time -- just like Jesus pointed out that God (through Moses) allowed a man to divorce his wife over any little thing that didn't please him... but Jesus made it clear that women were far more than property, which that rule made them.
So even though we've actually been taught better, and the theme of the revelation given in the Bible is above that, human nature looks for someone else to condemn, to put down, when the most recent reasured one is taken away. We do it in politics, too -- my favorite example is the sex offense laws, which excuse ANY behavior on the part of a minor (false ID, drugging someone, paying for sex) and blames EVERYTHING on the adult involved (even when unconscious!) in order to "protect the children". Politicians ride to power on this sort of hate... and they do it in the church, too.
Most Christians realize that we're supposed to "Hate the sin, love the sinner" -- but can't get that engrained enough to actually stop hating the sinner. When you get "Christians" cheering for the murderers of gays (e.g. Mat Shephard), no matter how much they may protest that they actually "love the sinner", it's obviously false. They've fallen into the trap of taking up the latest thing to hate, and don't recognize that they're doing exactly what Paul, who supposedly authorizes their hate, warned against: following the lusts of the flesh, and not the Spirit.
You thought "lusts of the flesh" meant sexual desire? Well, that's a subset of the whole -- "lusts" means "passions", and hatred is certainly a passion!
So when Falwell, et al propose violence against gays, they're being "only human", looking for something, or rather someONE, to hate, and it is thoroughly proper to say they are being lustful in the worst possible way.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Rosie O'Donnell: "Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam...

... to be bigots? To hate? To kill nuns? To blow up themselves/others/buildings/etc? To massacre or genocide? To hide behind? To punch the clown, if you know what I mean? That sentence could be finished all kinds of ways!

I think that was part of the point.

I'd finish it these ways... off the top of my head:

... meddle in politics.
... enslave other people.
... approve of their own wealth at the expense of others.
... justify hatred.

 

[NickCarterFan]

Rosie has a point, and one I've made to people myself. Any kind of extremism, is bad news. Doesn't matter on which side of the coin. When you get right down to it, extremism of any sort will polarize conflict and never bring about any kind of lasting peace. This is something even Jesus knew. And the Apostle Paul. Both taught on the principle of turning the other cheek, and submitting to those in authority over you. And to love one another, not hate one another.

The biggest irony of religious extremism, is the concept that one side is better or superior than another. That takes completely away from the point, which is that we all need something to believe in.

Yes, what the terrorists have done deserves to be punished, and HARSHLY. They declared war on us, and we have every right to bomb them back into the stone age if we could be given the opportunity to do so safely. If it could be done, every non-combatant and innocent bystander should be evacuated from the mid-east and the entire region should be mass-bombed to kill some VERY persistant cockroach-like specimens of suicidal humanity. They live for death so much, that they're asking for it.

But we should also be respectful and protective of innocents caught in the crossfire, something our current President has failed consistantly to do in his own extremist reaction to extremists.

Of course, we could always just forgive them.

 

[Kulindahr]

Actually, Bush has been very considerate of non-combatants; the rules of engagement our troops are required to follow make avoiding non-combatant casualties a high priority.
As for what to do with the terrorists... if we could magically clear out everyone from the entire region who had peace in his/her heart, and round the rest up, I think it would be a great opportunity to see how powerful their faith in Allah is: Bush wants a Mars program, right? so we ship them all to Mars and see if they survive.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Rosie O'Donnell: "Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam...

And they do survive, the push to Mars has us focus more on space travel, and we find out that Mars is rich in the space fuel we need to make it to Alpha Centauri.

Way to go, Kulindahr---you just want Star Wars.

Star Wars?

Heinlein's The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress, maybe... or Hogan's Voyage From Yesteryear... but Star Wars? Or do you mean Frank Herbert's Dune, with holy war among the stars?

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Rosie O'Donnell: "Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam...

Nerd. It was more a joke against Reagan's Star Wars.

Duh. Kinda weak, though. But...

If you want to talk Ronnie Raygun....
I read where one of the things that did work well, though maybe not with weapons potential, was the magnetic rail-gun. Supposedly it got developed to the point it could fire things off at escape velocity, i.e. into orbit -- if they just had a large enough power source, like, say, the entire grid for Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and Wyoming.
That's what we could use to send the terrorists (of all stripes) to Mars: build new power plants, and launch them! I'm sure they could hold their breath long enough. And after, we'd have a great new addition to the national power grid!

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Rosie O'Donnell: "Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam...

With a rail gun?

That should be fun!!


Actually, a strict libertarian would only shoot them if they were in the process of committing a terrorist act or some other crime against person or property. Or are they behind the chemical shed making bombs?

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Rosie O'Donnell: "Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam...

Eh, you were the one who arrested them earlier, remember? I was taking the government's word for it. Isn't that what we are supposed to do in times of never-ending war against the shadows?

War against the Shadows?

Oh, my -- are we on Babylon 5 now??

There, the government was in cahoots with the Shadows.....