Rush Limbaugh hates education

[chrisrobin]

I don't think you're quite understanding what I'm talking about. No, my point is not restricted to things like 'retail management'. Its excludes jobs that require training but no expectation of a degree. (like mechanics, or plumbers, etc.) The threshold of jobs requiring degrees has dramatically risen, making it very nearly impossible for those without one to get work.

When I applied for a part-time job at my libary, a job reshelving CDs and DVDs, the person they eventually hired was a music major from Northwestern. I'm surprised she got the job. I would think they would be pursuing someone from Julliard! There are cab drivers that hold PhDs because they can't find real jobs.
Let's blame Obama!

The drug-addled, obese neo-nazi is always grousing about "professors in their ivory towers" who don't have any "real-life" experiences. A Republican prerequisite is fear of intelligence/knowledge. The fat boy is so predictable. When the Abu Ghraib story broke, he was comparing what was going on there to a "fraternity prank". How in the fuck would he know?

 

[CowboyBob]

Rush Limbaugh hates an awful lot. He preys on people's fears and prejudices and affirming to the uneducated that education is a bad or frightening thing plays to his base.

Ignorant and fearful people are easier to control, and he's made a king's ransom playing that game.

 

[JayHawk]

Let me ask one thing about the cost of education. Mostly because there appear to be fairly informed opinions in the thread and I have no background in the financial side of our higher education system.

The post above shows that Professor's don't make a decent wage to live off of day to day. I can agree. Every Professor I have had has been for night classes while working and ALL of them without exception had at least one other job if not two or three other jobs. My current class has 25 people in it at a relatively low cost of 681 for the class or 227 a credit hour. SO of course doing the math is 17, 025 for a class of students that last one night a week for eight weeks. So 2128.125 daily rent for a single classroom that is used for five hours.

SO my question is WHY is it so damn expensive? The average Professor is not getting a whole bunch of money? The cost of a facilities can not equate to 2128 a day per room. The average dean receives pay and benefits similar to the upper middle class at around 95K a year.

SO what drives the cost? I am taking about a very small university located in Kansas City. Not anywhere near the average cost of a standard State funded University. The last estimate I saw for KU was 85k for a normal four year degree or 21K a year..... So with 30K students in 2009 then you get a rough yearly of 630 million dollars...... WOW....

where do it all go?

Oh and on RL.... he also expressed the idea that both Churchill and Marx were students of classical studies and then promptly never mentioned Churchill again while going off on Classical Studies majors seeking to destroy their world. The man is truly a joke but what astounds me the most?? The never ending deluge of callers pledging their undying devotion and respect to this idiot. It makes no sense to me....

 

[Dolmance]

Let's make one thing very clear:

To anyone outside the U.S., it's very, very clear that Limbaugh and his ilk don't believe a word they profess: they are actors who tow the line, because they and those behind them know precisely what flavour of bile their cash cows like to suckle on. They are so outrageously absurd, their every utterance so clearly choreographed and orchestrated down to the smallest syllable, they come off as cartoon characters.

The real tragedy comes from those amongst the American electorate who are so bound up with the tribal prejudices they define themselves by they are willing to take everything Limbaugh and his ilk say as sincere and gospel, no matter how absurd, ridiculous, hateful or outright mother fucking stupid.

Don't blame Limbaugh; he's just a suppurating pustule; a symptom of the wider cultural disease that is currently eating away cancer like at the marrow of U.S. politics and culture.

 

[JayHawk]

Oh yeah i don't blame the guy. He is making millions just being a smart ass. The problem has long been the electorate that doesn't know a fucking thing and doesn't vote any damn ways.

I posted elsewhere that the true effect of OWS may very well be turning out people to the polls. I certainly hope so.

 

[Kulindahr]

I know one thing that drives costs. When my favorite geology professor joined the OSU faculty, he said there was a president of the university and a vice president. When he reached emeritus status there was a president and twenty vice presidents. When he retired it was a president and twenty-three vice presidents.

Each vice president was pulling in twice what a tenured professor was.

Of course each VP needed a secretary, and most also had assistants -- some two.

The result was that the veep operation had more people than the entire sciences faculty. His biggest beef was the Vice President for Community Relations, a cute name for PR, who had her own staff that rivaled all the rest together. Why the university needed PR, he said he didn't know -- if they turned out good graduates, wouldn't people figure it out for themselves? and if they turned out crappy graduates, how would a PR department make things any different?

Anyway, I forget the total annual cost to all those veeps and staff, but I could retire with that amount more than comfortably anywhere I felt like.

 

[Seasoned]

Education promotes critical thinking, the last thing a demagogue wants anyone to have.

 

[JayHawk]

Yes Seasoned. Yes. In a country with an amazingly low attention span and with the advent of technology our children are suffering from even greater attention deficits where they simply go get information and regurgitate it for a grade instead of actually critically thinking about the material provided on their own.

I whole-heartedly agree that critical thinking is on the decline and has been for some time.

 

[JB3]

I know one thing that drives costs. When my favorite geology professor joined the OSU faculty, he said there was a president of the university and a vice president. When he reached emeritus status there was a president and twenty vice presidents. When he retired it was a president and twenty-three vice presidents.

Each vice president was pulling in twice what a tenured professor was.

Of course each VP needed a secretary, and most also had assistants -- some two.

The result was that the veep operation had more people than the entire sciences faculty. His biggest beef was the Vice President for Community Relations, a cute name for PR, who had her own staff that rivaled all the rest together. Why the university needed PR, he said he didn't know -- if they turned out good graduates, wouldn't people figure it out for themselves? and if they turned out crappy graduates, how would a PR department make things any different?

Anyway, I forget the total annual cost to all those veeps and staff, but I could retire with that amount more than comfortably anywhere I felt like.

That and the bureaucratic morass that the state university system has become. For graduate school, when I needed to deal with anything having to do with financial aid I had to coordinate between the music department, the graduate school, the financial aid office, and the bursar's office. All of those offices were in different buildings, some 10 minutes from each other, with staffs that didn't communicate with each other. It was ridiculous. For my undergrad (at an admittedly smaller school), I dealt with one person, in one office, that coordinated with all of the other people for me. (all of whom were located in the same building)

Its actually one thing that universities could learn from some of the best run corporations; efficient organizational structure that makes the best use of funding and serves students the best.

BTW, the college that I went to (and where the author of the linked piece works), openly admitted that they were educating students at a loss. But instead of passing those higher costs on to students, the college's donors stepped up to the plate and filled in the gaps.

 

[Kulindahr]

Yes Seasoned. Yes. In a country with an amazingly low attention span and with the advent of technology our children are suffering from even greater attention deficits where they simply go get information and regurgitate it for a grade instead of actually critically thinking about the material provided on their own.

I whole-heartedly agree that critical thinking is on the decline and has been for some time.

Good point about critical thinking. As a high school freshman I was allowed into what was normally a senior course, world history. For the first midterm, we had to do short essays about five civilizations, picked from a list of seven. When that was done we got a new page that asked for an essay comparing and contrasting the two we hadn't done essays about. I often wonder if today's students could do that.

 

[Jack Springer]

Education promotes critical thinking, the last thing a demagogue wants anyone to have.

All the man was saying is that college was not for everyone. He did not say to stop learning.

How the heck can anyone disagree with that.

 

[Kulindahr]

All the man was saying is that college was not for everyone. He did not say to stop learning.

How the heck can anyone disagree with that.

If he'd quit there he would have been fine. But he showed himself to be an ignorant jerk.

 

[JB3]

Good point about critical thinking. As a high school freshman I was allowed into what was normally a senior course, world history. For the first midterm, we had to do short essays about five civilizations, picked from a list of seven. When that was done we got a new page that asked for an essay comparing and contrasting the two we hadn't done essays about. I often wonder if today's students could do that.

Mandatory at the college the author teaches at.

 

[JB3]

All the man was saying is that college was not for everyone. He did not say to stop learning.

How the heck can anyone disagree with that.

That's not what's being discussed so you can stop right there. Read the rest of the thread and educate yourself.

 

[Kulindahr]

Mandatory at the college the author teaches at.

At the college where I taught the remedial reading comprehension and writing composition course, I was supposed to get critical thinking in there. After reviewing the provided materials, I did wonders for morale by having everyone march up to the trash and dump in their official materials the first meeting. What passed for "critical thinking" in those materials must have been written by a bureaucrat bored out of his skill from reading Archie comics which were a stretch above his level.

I assigned science fiction novels instead.

I got told after two terms that the advancement in their tests scores was remarkable. It was fun watching jaws drop when they asked how I did it and I told them we threw away the official materials and I gave them readings that made them argue.

(kinda like here, but far more literary)

 

[MoltenRock III]

That's not what's being discussed so you can stop right there. Read the rest of the thread and educate yourself.

While I agree with you, it's not fair to attack Jack's lack of an education. He is a product of his time. Just because you almost have your BA degree, and I have an MBA, doesn't mean we should point out how uneducated those without degrees are. I always try to respect my elders even though they are on death's door.

Just my opinion.

 

[Lostlover]

Rush Limbaugh show us your high school diploma.

Add my governor to this "show me your high school diploma." When talking about the immigration bill, Jan Brewer vowed to get this bill "did."

 

[JB3]

While I agree with you, it's not fair to attack Jack's lack of an education. He is a product of his time. Just because you almost have your BA degree, and I have an MBA, doesn't mean we should point out how uneducated those without degrees are. I always try to respect my elders even though they are on death's door.

Just my opinion.

Ha.


*Just a correction. I almost have my M.m.ed.

 

[JB3]

At the college where I taught the remedial reading comprehension and writing composition course, I was supposed to get critical thinking in there. After reviewing the provided materials, I did wonders for morale by having everyone march up to the trash and dump in their official materials the first meeting. What passed for "critical thinking" in those materials must have been written by a bureaucrat bored out of his skill from reading Archie comics which were a stretch above his level.

I assigned science fiction novels instead.

I got told after two terms that the advancement in their tests scores was remarkable. It was fun watching jaws drop when they asked how I did it and I told them we threw away the official materials and I gave them readings that made them argue.

(kinda like here, but far more literary)

Sounds like a course I had called Utopian Fiction. All it was was critical thinking and debating the contents of the novels.

 

[Joshua_me]

To anyone outside the U.S., it's very, very clear that Limbaugh and his ilk don't believe a word they profess: they are actors who tow the line, because they and those behind them know precisely what flavour of bile their cash cows like to suckle on. They are so outrageously absurd, their every utterance so clearly choreographed and orchestrated down to the smallest syllable, they come off as cartoon characters.

^ That about sums it up.