Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[rareboy]

There would be no more Mockba.

Maybe St. Petersburg at the behest of UNESCO? Because of the Hermitage that only exists to showcase the Musovites' desperate attempt to reflect a civilized Europe?

I don't really care. They could bomb it to glass at this point and all that is lost is a huge amount of Imperial rrrxxxian nostalgia. Our time there reinforced that neither the Soviet Union 1.0 or v 2.0 has really contributed a single fucking thing of cultural or intellectual inportance to the world. It is all fake.

 

[Kulindahr]

In fairness, everyone and his horse understood, and the media here and abroad spell his name differently, sometimes doubling the Y, etc.

Just Monday I saw it spelled "Zelenskiy" in a news item and "Zielinskiy" on a blog. I've read that "Zelenskyy" is what's on his passport, which would tend to make it official according to Ukraine's state department (or whoever issues their passports) -- but then the man himself has spelled it "Zelenskiy" in text messages.

Of course in Cyrillic it's "Зеленський", which if transliterated letter for letter doesn't match any of those!

For what it's worth, "Zelenskiy" is apparently derived from the Russian spelling of the name while "Zelenskyy" is more faithful to the Ukrainian spelling (just as "Kiev" is from the Russian spelling of the city name while "Kyiv" is from the Ukrainian).

 

[Kulindahr]

There should be a point beyond which NATO declares war against Russia

I keep hoping a Russian missile will go astray and destroy something in Poland; for the Poles that could be sufficient for them to say, "Enough already; we;re going to defend Ukraine so they can really invade Russia".
On the way they could straighten out Belarus.

 

[Kulindahr]

Do you think Iran and China would be fine with Putin going nuclear?

Hasn't China already told Putin that if nukes fly the friendship is over?

Iran could be interesting: if their religious mucky-mucks declared their approval of Putin using nukes it might be enough to trigger another revolution.

But lets hope we don't have to find out, okay?

 

[Kulindahr]

There would be no more Mockba.

It's my understanding that current U.S. and NATO policy is to not target cities. The way to really hurt Moscow isn't to wipe it out, anyway, it would be to sever all the rail lines leading to the city, especially switching points and bridges; the ensuing riots as food and other necessities could no longer reach the city would see everything important burnt to the ground (hopefully with the government thugs inside). Beside that, if Moscow got glassed it would just have to be rebuilt because it's the most critical transportation hub. Stir the citizens to take down the regime and things would work out better in the long run.

 

[ravenstone]

If Russia hit any cities with nukes it would be the end of Russia, and it wouldn't take the U.S. or anyone else using nukes back to do it. It wouldn't take NATO even a week to gain absolute air superiority all the way to the Urals, a few more days to finish off all Russian military power anywhere in the world, then destroy every major rail hub in Russia by the end of the second week. The only use of nukes might be a half-dozen high-altitude air bursts to generate EMP to wipe out Russia's communications ability.

Afterwards Russia might look something like this:

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of Moscow would even be allowed to keep as much as is shown in red -- personally I'd take the five southeastern most oblasts in red and give them to orange.

( Guessing at capitals for those new countries: red is obviously Moscow while green's would be St. Petersburg; I'd say blue's capital would be Volgograd and lavender's would be Novosibirsk; for orange maybe Yekaterinaburg?; the only city I know of in the gray area is Vladivostok.)

The big issue would be the nukes; my suggestion would be for the EU to buy all the fissile material and put it to practical use.


[note: the yellow border lines are where existing political subunits were divided; all the white ones are existing borders]

I do agree, but I think you forget the millions that could be killed by Russian nukes before Russia is wiped out. I am thankful Biden said no today to the use of long range American weapons being used in Russia.

 

[NotHardUp1]

I do agree, but I think you forget the millions that could be killed by Russian nukes before Russia is wiped out. I am thankful Biden said no today to the use of long range American weapons being used in Russia.

Yes. There is no way to ignore the nuclear-armed submarines. We live yet in the shadow of our own apocalypse.

 

[KaraBulut]

I do agree, but I think you forget the millions that could be killed by Russian nukes before Russia is wiped out. I am thankful Biden said no today to the use of long range American weapons being used in Russia.

Don't assume that the US is the only country that has missiles that can target Russia. And it's more likely that those countries have nukes that are still functional, which cannot be said of Russia.

Putin is bluffing but China and India are likely telling him to STFU. The last thing that Russian allies China and India want is to have nukes exploding up-wind from their countries.

 

[TX-Beau]

Don't assume that the US is the only country that has missiles that can target Russia. And it's more likely that those countries have nukes that are still functional, which cannot be said of Russia.

Putin is bluffing but China and India are likely telling him to STFU. The last thing that Russian allies China and India want is to have nukes exploding up-wind from their countries.

It's more fun apparently to push Putin's propaganda. Aside from the absurdity that Putin is going to attack NATO for some reason, Ukraine has obviously already equipped itself with weapons capable of hitting very deep into Russia.

Then they invaded.

Then Putin did nothing.

 

[ravenstone]

It's more fun apparently to push Putin's propaganda. Aside from the absurdity that Putin is going to attack NATO for some reason, Ukraine has obviously already equipped itself with weapons capable of hitting very deep into Russia.

Then they invaded.

Then Putin did nothing.

Yes, Russia will just let Moscow and the rest of Russia be blown to bits by American and British long range missiles. You sure are wanting WW3. I guess you are willing to risk millions of lives on the hope Russia will let us destroy it.

 

[TX-Beau]

Yes, Russia will just let Moscow and the rest of Russia be blown to bits by American and British long range missiles. You sure are wanting WW3. I guess you are willing to risk millions of lives on the hope Russia will let us destroy it.

LOL when that happens, I'll take notice. I for one am not going to quake in fear at Putin's lack of response to ultimatums he's never followed through on, ever.

Why are you so very, terrified? Or are you just pushing Putin's propaganda for fun and giggles?

By the way. Ukraine has already hit Moscow and a whole lot more besides, they are holding Russian territory, why is your terrifying Putin doing nothing?

 

[ravenstone]

There is a big difference between drones and high-powered missiles. I wonder why those on the far left who are worried about gas powered weed eaters and such are so willing to risk something so much worse. I am worried because I do not wish to see cities such as NYC, LA, Houston or London hit with nukes. Austin's chances of being targeted are pretty slim, so maybe you might feel different if you were closer to a target such as NASA or some other high value target.

 

[TX-Beau]

There is a big difference between drones and high-powered missiles. I wonder why those on the far left who are worried about gas powered weed eaters and such are so willing to risk something so much worse. I am worried because I do not wish to see cities such as NYC, LA, Houston or London hit with nukes. Austin's chances of being targeted are pretty slim, so maybe you might feel different if you were closer to a target such as NASA or some other high value target.

No there's not, the rest of that is site, trying to change the subject.

Tell me oh so terrified of Putin, Ukraine has already hit Moscow and a whole lot more besides, they are holding Russian territory, why is your terrifying Putin doing nothing.

All you're doing is trying to further Putin's lies. Why?

 

[ravenstone]

Like I said, you're sitting in Austin where there is nothing worth nuking, it makes it much easier for you to feel the way you do.

 

[TX-Beau]

Like I said, you're sitting in Austin where there is nothing worth nuking, it makes it much easier for you to feel the way you do.

This doesn't mean anything. It's just being petty.

Before the military aid, Putin threatened nuclear annihilation. We aided, nothing happened.

Before Sweden and Finland joined NATO, Putin threatened nuclear annihilation, they joined, nothing happened.

Before the HIMRS were given to Ukraine, Putin threatened nuclear annihilation, we gave them, nothing happened.

Before the modern tanks went to Ukraine, Putin threatened nuclear annihilation, the tanks went, nothing happened.

Before the F-15s arrived, Putin threatened nuclear annihilation, they arrived, nothing happened.

Before the attacks inside Russia, Putin threatened nuclear annihilation, Russia was attacked, nothing happened.

Before Ukraine seized Russian territory Putin threatened nuclear annihilation, territory was lost, nothing happened.

Are you seeing the pattern? Putin has been threatening nuclear annihilation for every little thing since his bloody invasion, for any reason, for no reason at all. WHY?

BECUASE HE IS WEAK AND DOESN"T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE AND IS COUNTING ON CREDULOUS PEOPLE TO BELIEVE HIM!

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You do understand that Putin has been blaming NATO since the beginning since he doesn't want his own people to realize what a shit show he's made of their army, and doesn't want to admit his abject failure to take Ukraine in the first place. Since that's all he's been saying since the start of his bloody attempt to destroy someone else, one wonders why he hasn't done ANYTHING about it.

 

[TX-Beau]

We haven't even gotten to the question of whether Putin actually has a functional nuke, let alone a functional ICBM to deliver it.

 

[ravenstone]

This doesn't mean anything. It's just being petty.

Before the military aid, Putin threatened nuclear annihilation. We aided, nothing happened.

Before Sweden and Finland joined NATO, Putin threatened nuclear annihilation, they joined, nothing happened.

Before the HIMRS were given to Ukraine, Putin threatened nuclear annihilation, we gave them, nothing happened.

Before the modern tanks went to Ukraine, Putin threatened nuclear annihilation, the tanks went, nothing happened.

Before the F-15s arrived, Putin threatened nuclear annihilation, they arrived, nothing happened.

Before the attacks inside Russia, Putin threatened nuclear annihilation, Russia was attacked, nothing happened.

Before Ukraine seized Russian territory Putin threatened nuclear annihilation, territory was lost, nothing happened.

Are you seeing the pattern? Putin has been threatening nuclear annihilation for every little thing since his bloody invasion, for any reason, for no reason at all. WHY?

BECUASE HE IS WEAK AND DOESN"T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE AND IS COUNTING ON CREDULOUS PEOPLE TO BELIEVE HIM!

None of the above threatened Russia's survival. Ukraine going into a desolate area of Russia helped the Russians by spreading out Ukraine's forces. Yes, I see a pattern, this however is a major escalation way beyond any of the above. People that live close to major targets have more to lose, whether you think so or not.

 

[TX-Beau]

None of the above threatened Russia's survival. Ukraine going into a desolate area of Russia helped the Russians by spreading out Ukraine's forces. Yes, I see a pattern, this however is a major escalation way beyond any of the above. People that live close to major targets have more to lose, whether you think so or not.

Whatever there, Putin has threatened nuclear annihilation for things small and large, and you are determined apparently to try and scare people into capitulating to a criminal.

One wonders why.

 

[ravenstone]

Whatever there, Putin has threatened nuclear annihilation for things small and large, and you are determined apparently to try and scare people into capitulating to a criminal.

One wonders why.

Because unlike you, we would be killed if they send nukes.

 

[TX-Beau]

Because unlike you, we would be killed if they send nukes.

Also means nothing, if you have any proof beyond Russian propaganda that Putin is capable of or on the brink of nuking anyone, please enlighten us all.