Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[ravenstone]

Your earlier post suggested that there was a basis of argument to support the notion that the demands or expectations of Zelenskyy were an obstacle to peace. You specifically indicated that it was inappropriate for him to want everything that he wants.

Thus, it is sensible to anticipate that you have reviewed those matters in some detail and are prepared to share your opinion to indicate what portion(s) of Zelenskyy's proposed terms are unreasonable, or at least how you think they should be subject to revision.

I think all 10 points are valid, I however think they are not realistic, The return of all land including Crimea is not going to happen unless other countries put boots on the ground. The demand for special judges and tribunals to punish Russia for war crimes, although justified in many cases, is also not realistic because what army will enforce it.

 

[rareboy]

So they should just give in? Give up? Not look for justice?

Crimea is a failure of the western democracies to force rrrzzzia to terms because Europe was sucking Putin's dick for Nordstream. At the moment, Ukraine is alone fighting to return not only Crimea but all of the Donbass...the majority of people who literally elected to be a part of an independent Ukraine in the 90's when the USSR broke up.

How can you justify not punishing rrrxxxia for war crimes?

It would be a betrayal of the thousands of people slaughtered by rrrxxxia not to demand legal justice.

Even now, Putin is a war criminal wanted by the Hague for his actions in Ukraine.

 

[ravenstone]

So they should just give in? Give up? Not look for justice?

Crimea is a failure of the western democracies to force rrrzzzia to terms because Europe was sucking Putin's dick for Nordstream. At the moment, Ukraine is alone fighting to return not only Crimea but all of the Donbass...the majority of people who literally elected to be a part of an independent Ukraine in the 90's when the USSR broke up.

How can you justify not punishing rrrxxxia for war crimes?

It would be a betrayal of the thousands of people slaughtered by rrrxxxia not to demand legal justice.

Even now, Putin is a war criminal wanted by the Hague for his actions in Ukraine.

I don't disagree with you, and in a perfect world that would happen. I think it isn't realistic and in the meantime more people are dying every day.

 

[opinterph]

I think all 10 points are valid, I however think they are not realistic

Do you think it is realistic for Russia to insist that Ukraine cease its aspirations to join NATO?

 

[ravenstone]

He never answered my question either concerning how the countries that are currently supplying Russia with weapons would respond to Putin’s use of nuclear weapons. Give him credit he’s unlikely to get caught up in pesky details.

I think Iran and North Korea are happy with the info they got to help with ICBM

Do you think it is realistic for Russia to insist that Ukraine cease its aspirations to join NATO?

I think it should not be any of their business.

 

[ravenstone]

He never answered my question either concerning how the countries that are currently supplying Russia with weapons would respond to Putin’s use of nuclear weapons. Give him credit he’s unlikely to get caught up in pesky details.

I think Iran and North Korea wouldn't care as long as they didn't receive any damage. They are happy getting to upgrade their ICBM programs.

 

[Norri]

I think Iran and North Korea wouldn't care as long as they didn't receive any damage. They are happy getting to upgrade their ICBM programs.

As I said before I think North Korea would be thrilled but not the Iranians. The Iranians have no nuclear weapons Israel does how could it possibly benefit Iran for the use of nukes to be opened up? And even if Russia is helping them with their program it will take yrs for Iran to catch up with Israel.

Nope countries without such weapons never want to see them used.

 

[TX-Beau]

In case anyone was confusing themselves about the effectiveness of Ukranian drone strikes.

Some things go boom.

 

[rareboy]

I would love to be lying in bed after being fucked by him and watching these explosions on HD wide screen....multiple screen set-up.

This makes me so hard.....

 

[rareboy]

So theoretically UK and US are in 'secret talks' to allow strikes deep into rrrXXXian territory.

If they had bit the fucking bullet like 24 months ago, this war would be over.

 

[rareboy]

Ukraine appears to have taken out the base command center for PMO Wagner...pitures of a big fire there today.

As well, reports of another major munitions base near Tver being hit and with numerous fires burning.

The rrrzzzxnz lost many of their Korean missiles in the massive fire and explosion after the 'invincible' munitions base was hit this past week, so the second base loss should hurt them badly.

Ukraine plans to press for entry into NATO as part of its victory plan. I have said for the last 2 years that the way to stop the war and threat of further incursions by rrrZZia into Europe is to bring Ukraine into NATO...Hungary already subverts the aims of the EU and NATO, so how could Ukraine be worse. It isn't that NATO has any military secrets that the Kremlin doesn't already know about.

 

[rareboy]

Biden still says in public he has not finalized a decision about using ATACMs in Ruuzzia, (although I think they are being used), Peskov says that rrrZZZia would listen to Ukraine's peace plan (a stark about face from a few weeks ago) and the killing continues.

 

[rareboy]

So 2 and a half years on, Iran is saying they want peace between Ukraine and rrrzzia and the world leaders bleat on at the UN annual bullshit fest.

This would have been a great day to blow up the Kerch Bridge.

 

[rareboy]

Tomorrow Zelensky actually has a meeting with Trump at Trump Tower.

I imagine he will get Trump's unvarnished proposal that Ukraine let rrrzzzia have what it wants and sit down and shut up.

 

[rareboy]

 

[rareboy]

rrrZZZia is likely enjoying the focus being pulled from their brutal invasion of Ukraine by the deepening conflict in the Middle East...but if the west decides to turn on Iran, it will deplete Iran's capacity to prop up the Kremlin.

No wonder their ambassador to the UN is whining about the Security Council impotence to bring an end to the conflict in Gaza and Lebanon.

 

[rareboy]

rrrzzzia continues to throw hundreds of soldiers into the fight to advance in the Donbas.

Again, they are firing dozens of drones and missiles into Ukraine almost daily now. This is likely only possible because of the recent shiments from Iran.

 

[rareboy]

One of the big stumbling blocks to Ukraine being accepted into NATO is the fact that rrrZZZia is currently occupying territories illegally, but is occupying them nonetheless.

Some good words than from Stoltenberg:

"Former NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg stated that Ukraine could be accepted into NATO even with occupied territories, emphasizing that where there is a will, there are ways to find solutions. "When there is a will, there are ways to find the solution. But you need a line which defines where Article 5 is invoked, and Ukraine has to control all the territory until that border," he stated."

NATO needs to call Putin's bluff now and protect the rest of Ukraine...although that might be at the cost of freezing the conflict.

We need new rules since the Krelin still can't play by any of the others.

 

[ravenstone]

hahaha

Your idea of peace talks is to give Putin and the rrrzzzinz everything in order to freeze the conflict and give putin time to re-group.

I have to hope that your father and grandfather would be beyond appalled and horrified if they actually fought against fascist imperialism in WWII.

I think the US and China should have Ukraine and Russia sit down and at least start to talk.

 

[TX-Beau]

I think the US and China should have Ukraine and Russia sit down and at least start to talk.

I think oranges are sweeter than lemons. So what?

If you have some actual useful solution for bringing that about let's hear it.