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On Topic Discussion Salman Rushdie Stabbed at Chautauqua

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So, it has finally happened.

A fanatic has succeeded in getting to Salman Rushdie after the fatwa was issued for his death over 30 years ago.

As of now, he is still in surgery.

One of the most shocking aspects of the attack is that the Chautauqua Institute only had two policemen standing guard. According to eyewitnesses at the lecture, Rushdie was attacked over and over, about "ten times" before the attacker was subdued.

WTF?

Two policemen aren't enough to subdue three men if they had rushed the stage.

What were the lecture organizers thinking?
 
I share your concern for his well-being, brother. Been a hellish newsday, I haven't caught an update on his condition.
 
He was always in danger and deserved much better security. A pat down would have found that knife.
 
what does he say in 'Satanic Verses' that pisses off Muslims?

I've never been entirely sure about that. Even reading about it now, it's not completely clear. The Wikipedia page gives some clues when it says "a major theme of that novel is the dangerous nature of closed, absolutist belief systems" and when it refers to "the satiric nature of the work".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Verses
 
what does he say in 'Satanic Verses' that pisses off Muslims?

I'll do ya one better than a wiki entry:

https://www.independent.co.uk/world/salman-rushdie-iran-fatwa-explainer-b2144139.html

Many took issue with how Rushdie, who was raised as a Muslim in Mumbai, seemed to mock Islam and the Prophet Muhammad.

.....Later in the book, a group of prostitutes are featured, bearing the names of the Prophet Muhammad’s wives. Another dream sequence seems to play on the story of Jesus.
 
The Wikipedia page gives some clues when it says "a major theme of that novel is the dangerous nature of closed, absolutist belief systems"

I'd agree with that sentiment. It always puzzles me why Islam in particular is so afraid of people questioning their belief system and why they are so afraid of other belief systems running alongside them.
It's almost like they worry that by shining a light on them people will see the Emperor's New Clothes
 
It always puzzles me why Islam in particular is so afraid of people questioning their belief system and why they are so afraid of other belief systems running alongside them.
It's almost like they worry that by shining a light on them people will see the Emperor's New Clothes

It's not clear that the religion is the source of the religion, or that the adoption of the religion by authoritarian cultures and regimes results in the fatwas and violence. After all, Muslims constitute 1.8 billion souls in this world, yet how many of their leaders or branches supported the fatwa on Rushdie?

There were NPR interviews this week with women journalists in Afghanistan, and they told of how the Taliban seeks not not only repress women, but to hide the repression so that they can enjoy the lack of condemnation from both their fellow Muslims as well as the world at large. That is a tacet admission that they need a better image for little things, like economic aid.

Characterizing all of Islam as extremist when it is just a faction is tantamount to blaming all physicists for Oppenheimer's work, or all Europeans for the German pogroms, or all Africans for the Somali pirate attacks.

What is perhaps relevant is the stage of Islam in some nations, where it closely resembles Christianity in its teen years, with heretics burned at the stake, witchcraft trials, and purges washing through nations as Protestant reforms saw CounterReformation and repression. As Christianity spread and grew and diversified, the total control of the church in civil matters eventually faded to only cultural and not absolute. There are relatively few countries now with the church actually in vested power within the justice, legislative, and penal systems.

Islam isn't as pacified. It has many adherents who DO see it as an absolute authority and they drive to have it be universally so. The parallels in Christianity and Judaism lack the belief that their Fundamentalist versions will in fact succeed in dominating their global population with their views. Christian Fundamentalists in North America and Africa KNOW that their version is not accepted by large segments of their religion worldwide. Ultraconservative Jews in New York or Israel KNOW that their views are not embraced by a great many in the larger Jewish faith.

And, of course, Buddhism is incomparable, as its adoption in many Western countries has resulted in it being repackaged as a philosophy rather than a religion, which is a direct contradiction of how the majority of its adherents in the East see it and define it, where it is very much a religion there, and where they very much acknowledge is has not only a god, but many gods, not mere symbols. So, in Buddhism, the extremists are the Western faithful.

And, lest sophistry get away with only targeting religion as the source of violence or retrograde actions in our cultures, political ideologies see similar ranges in spectra, with absolutists willing to do violence in order to realize the change they desire, in contrast with moderates who do not. This was seen in the suffrage movement, abolition and civil rights, pacificism, gay rights, socialism, and several other movements.
 
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I'd agree with that sentiment. It always puzzles me why Islam in particular is so afraid of people questioning their belief system and why they are so afraid of other belief systems running alongside them.
It's almost like they worry that by shining a light on them people will see the Emperor's New Clothes

Islam in particular?
 
Brave writer and fascinating thinker.
 
Brave writer and fascinating thinker.

True shit. The description of his work made my ears prick up, def interested in checking him out. Across 8 or 9 diff articles the journalists are very minimalistic in talking about his content, dude's got people shook. That's the best kinda writing.
 
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that's usually a response to someone stating the obvious. :confused: what do you think of Mr Rushdie's work, any book in particular you'd recommend, brother?

Exactly. They were obviously going to charge him with attempted murder, so it's not really much of a news item to announce it.

I've never read any of Rushdie's stuff. You'll have to look for recommendations elsewhere.
 
Exactly. They were obviously going to charge him with attempted murder, so it's not really much of a news item to announce it.

Au contraire, brother. This is America, someone being charged for breaking the law, even in cases that you'd think would be obvious, is always a toss-up. Someone being arrested for a crime they committed, even on camera, is newsworthy. A welcome reprieve from "prosecutors declined to charge...."

I've never read any of Rushdie's stuff. You'll have to look for recommendations elsewhere.

Well I'll be a horse's ass. As one of our resident cultural anthropology experts I was sure you'd at least have read one. The postcolonial themes in Midnight's Children scream for me to start there but I have to see what the hubub is about with The Satanic Verses. It'll probably be holiday time befoer I have a chance to look at it but I'll be sure to let you know how it was. :gogirl:
 
Au contraire, brother. This is America, someone being charged for breaking the law, even in cases that you'd think would be obvious, is always a toss-up. Someone being arrested for a crime they committed, even on camera, is newsworthy. A welcome reprieve from "prosecutors declined to charge...."

Steady on. The man nearly killed an international "celebrity" on camera and in front of witnesses and was (I believe) detained at the scene. Even given what you think about the American legal system, how was he not going to be charged?
 
Steady on. The man nearly killed an international "celebrity" on camera and in front of witnesses and was (I believe) detained at the scene. Even given what you think about the American legal system, how was he not going to be charged?

Lets ask R Kelly or Donald Trump, sexual assault of a minor and inciting an insurrection respectively, both as public as public can be. Took 2 decades to lock up Kelly and Trump TBA.
 
what does he say in 'Satanic Verses' that pisses off Muslims?

Let me rephrase that: what does he say that fundamentalist clerics in Iran deemed blasphemous?

A few examples from The Satanic Verses, the first being the thoughts of the Archangel Gabriel, said to have dictated the word of God to Muhammed:

"Mahound comes to me for revelation, asking me to choose between monotheist and henotheist alternatives, and I'm just some idiot actor having a bhaenchud nightmare, what the fuck do I know, yaar, what to tell you, help. Help."

"In those years Mahound - or should one say the Archangel Gibreel? - should one say Al-Lah? - became obsessed by the law. Amid the palm trees of the oasis Gibreel appeared to the prophet and found himself sprouting rules, rules, rules, until the faithful could scarcely bear the prospect of any more revelation, Salman said, rules about every damn thing, if a man farts let him turn his face to the wind, a rule about which hand to use for the purpose of cleaning one's behind. It was as if no aspect of human existence was to be left unregulated, free. The revelation - the recitation - told the faithful how much to eat, how deeply they should sleep, and which sexual positions had received divine sanction, so that they learned that sodomy and the missionary position were approved of by the archangel, whereas the forbidden postures included all those in which the female was on top. Gibreel further listed the permitted and forbidden subjects of conversation, and
earmarked the parts of the body which could not be scratched no matter how unbearably they may itch. He vetoed the consumption of prawns, those bizarre other-worldly creatures that no member of the faithful had ever seen, and required animals to be killed slowly, by bleeding, so that by experiencing their deaths to the full they might arrive at an understanding of the meaning of their lives.. (364).

" Salman the Persian got the wondering what manner of God this was that sounded so much like a business man .. he recalled that Mahound himself had been a business man, and a damned succesful one at that, a person to whom organization and rules came naturally, so how excessively convenient it was that he should come up with such a very businesslikearchangel, who handed down the management decisions of this highly corporate, if non-corporeal, God.

"After that Salman began to notice how useful and well-timed the angel's revelations tended to be."

[Subsequently, Salman the scribe, begins to alter a few of the words - the revealed words of God himself - small at first, and gradually larger, until he feels Mahound nod but with a little doubt.]
 
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