Same-sex marriage is about equality, not religion

[bankside]

Or if people would just recognize that THEIR religion is THEIR personal choice. Which amounts to much the same thing.

More often than not it is the personal choice of their parents.

Anyway if god exists, he is welcome to stand up during the part of the ceremony where they ask if anyone has any objections.

What's the etiquette on that? Should he still bring a gift if he's planning to stand up and object? I mean if you rsvp....

 

[BRIOHAZARD]

Who was the clerk who filed the paperwork? Was it Gabriel?

And who went and got the license? And who catered the affair? And which church?

Did Adam propose? What was the ring made out of? Did they get married before or after Eve caused the entire fall of humanity? Who came to the wedding, the animals? Where did they register, Bed Bath & Beyond?
They weren't very good parents considering their first born killed their second born.

Also: What is the asshole claiming such nonsense doing on a gay porn board anyway?

Tho I don't agree with name calling, I'm wondering the same thing.

 

[Surgeon General]

Also: What is the asshole claiming such nonsense doing on a gay porn board anyway?

Well I agree with him, I'm on a gay porn board because I am gay and it's the biggest online community I've found. If there was a porn-less version of this message board I would probably stick to that one, as it is though I stick to the discussions.

All the sarcasm is really useful and fun, but you're not looking at it from their point of view...because you don't care. It's not about denying anyone rights, it's about keeping an institute sacred. Just because you don't have the same beliefs doesn't mean you should shit all over it.

A vast majority of the Christians that I've talked to about this have said that as long as it's not called marriage then they don't care. The problem that most gays I've talked to about it is, employment and child paternal rights not being recognized with the who civil union thing.

Why isn't anyone trying to change that up? Seems like it would be a lot simpler and cause a heck of a lot of strife. Make it mandatory for those companies that give spousal benifits give the same to civil unions and let's start changing the paternal rights.

It just seems (and this thread is just one of millions of examples) that this issue isn't only about equality...it's also about two groups of people fighting over an issues just because they want to beat each other.

 

[MercuryJones]

All the sarcasm is really useful and fun, but you're not looking at it from their point of view...because you don't care. It's not about denying anyone rights, it's about keeping an institute sacred.

No, it's precisely about deny people rights. It's not the job of the government to keep your religious beliefs sacred.

A vast majority of the Christians that I've talked to about this have said that as long as it's not called marriage then they don't care. The problem that most gays I've talked to about it is, employment and child paternal rights not being recognized with the who civil union thing.

Why isn't anyone trying to change that up? Seems like it would be a lot simpler and cause a heck of a lot of strife. Make it mandatory for those companies that give spousal benifits give the same to civil unions and let's start changing the paternal rights.

If you want to lead the fight for formal second class status, you do do it. Others of us are busy fighting for legal equality.

 

[Sam Blum]

Actually, same-sex partners being able to marry is about equity, not equality. IF we want legal changes, we should at least use the right words to make sure people care enough to listen to our demands, don't we think? I don't know - I'm tired, crabby and off to bed.

 

[MercuryJones]

Why would you say equity rather than equality?

I'm rather stuck on the language of the Equal Protection Clause myself: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

 

[Surgeon General]

No, it's precisely about deny people rights. It's not the job of the government to keep your religious beliefs sacred.
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Marriage is a religious union though. Government was the one to issue rights around it.

You didn't answer my question, why not fight for equality that doesn't offend Christians? Because you don't want you...because part of it is about beating them...like I said.

Don't fool yourself into thinking you're noble, because it's actually quite petty.

 

[MercuryJones]

Marriage is a religious union though. Government was the one to issue rights around it.

Incorrect. Religious marriage is religious. Civil marriage is not. There is no religious test.

You didn't answer my question, why not fight for equality that doesn't offend Christians? Because you don't want you...because part of it is about beating them...like I said.

Because what you suggest is not equality. It's a second class status to appease bigots.

The law isn't there to keep people's religious biases sacred. Those who don't like equality are free to not like it - that's their business. I'm not concerned with their feelings one way or another.

 

[MercuryJones]

Gay marriage is wrong point blank....

How about gay porn. Is that right or wrong?

How about bisexuality. Is that right or wrong?

 

[fetaby]

What I haven't heard is so many cocksuckers willing to lay down and be doormats for bigots.

 

[MercuryJones]

anything thats not between a man and woman is wrong...point blank.

So you're wrong.

But that has nothing to do with US civil law which requires equality for all, even gays.

 

[MercuryJones]

Now it's true that there way not be a heaven and hell. But if there is.....

Man... aren't we all fucked.

If there is a god evil enough to put people in hell for loving someone of the same sex, everyone is fucked because that is one evil god.

 

[fetaby]

Feta, you've been at JUB long enough to know that this isn't new. JUB seems to just be the place where everyone bitches about how their lives suck, but they don't really care to do anything about it. Ah, the Internet.

You're right. But it never ceases to amaze me, the hypocrisy of fucking a guy in the ass but then thinking/feeling it's wrong. If you truly felt it was wrong, you wouldn't do it. Otherwise you're just lying to yourself. So I guess it is right that we see this nonsense posted here and about, they really are following the golden rule. Do unto others...

No wonder folks are freaking out and having breakdowns left and right these days.

 

[MMMonsterBoy]

Ah. Religion vs the government, an ongoing battle for centuries.

Well, I'm not Christian, but if gays can't marry then why is the act of divorcing legal? That's not very Christian like. How come wedlock is allowed? Should unmarried mothers be forced to give up their bastard children? Why can people who are not of any religion marry? These marriage rules should be more consistent.

Interesting how people pick and choose. I suppose it makes sense, with homosexuals being a minority vs a religion that has consumed many. I don't particarly care what God made concerning the politics of equality or civil rights.

 

[Kensei]

Before you even begin debating marriage, you first must recognize the difference between the religious institution and the legal institution. Both are sexual and loving unions, except the legal institution is subject to constiutional law. By keeping a loving union - regardless of the name - between the opposite sexes the government is creating a pool of lovers we can pick from. I'll pick my lover, as long as they are over 18 and not related to me, I should be able to marry them.