Sammy Davis sung about B.H.O.

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For me, it's been interesting to note that our friends on the right have now started to direct their political posturing toward Obama, rather than Hillary. Some would argue that this completely changes the fall campaign. The right will not have Hillary uniting the conservatives to come out and vote. And with Obama picking off substantial numbers of independents and disenfranchised republicans, the right clearly sees him as a strong adversary. And rightly so.

 

[NickCole]

For me, it's been interesting to note that our friends on the right have now started to direct their political posturing toward Obama, rather than Hillary. Some would argue that this completely changes the fall campaign. The right will not have Hillary uniting the conservatives to come out and vote. And with Obama picking off substantial numbers of independents and disenfranchised republicans, the right clearly sees him as a strong adversary. And rightly so.

I don't see that at all. Aside from everything else like Obama being a liberal who's made not voting for the war in Iraq a centerpiece of his campaign, and having to insist he'll deliver universal health care, and his immigrant stance (driver's licenses for illegals?), you maybe don't recognize the significance of there not being even one elected African American Republican in Congress. You think that's by chance, that with all those hundreds of seats to fill Republicans haven't voted in one single black man or woman? I think it'll be pretty easy to get conservatives to come out and vote. They're not going to want him voted into the highest office in the land.

Further, John McCain doesn't like him, there's animosity between them -- that would mean no holds barred from the McCain campaign. McCain has struggled in his life, been knocked down and got back up, he got where he is the hard way, which means his hands are rough and tough under the kid gloves he usually wears. Obama's got the soft hands of a pampered child.

Obama's primary campaign has been all about luck and putting on a good razzle dazzle show. When Hillary tried to hit him everybody gasped and she pulled back because it cost her support. His thin skin was evident at the SOTU when he couldn't bring himself to shake Hillary's hand even though he had Uncle Teddy standing right beside him for support. But McCain won't have to care about the gasps because they won't be from Republicans who'd vote for him.

Barack Obama, if he runs against John McCain, will make Al Gore and John Kerry look like strong resilient candidates. It's not going to be pretty. And in the meantime Obama's supporters have splintered the Democratic Party with their vitriol.

 

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I don't see that at all. Aside from everything else like Obama being a liberal who's made not voting for the war in Iraq a centerpiece of his campaign, and having to insist he'll deliver universal health care, and his immigrant stance (driver's licenses for illegals?)"

I'd rather go with the candidate who opposed the war, rather than the candidate who voted for it. Of course, as First Lady, Sen. Clinton did a fine job on health care. You don't really want to bring up the issue of driver's licenses for illegals, considering Sen. Clinton's laughable and embarrassing attempt to explain her stance in a primary debate.

"you maybe don't recognize the significance of there not being even one elected African American Republican in Congress."

I think you don't understand. GOP party leaders would LOVE to have more African-American candidates and representative. The reason there are not more is because African-Americans do not support the GOP and are not party members.

"You think that's by chance, that with all those hundreds of seats to fill Republicans haven't voted in one single black man or woman? I think it'll be pretty easy to get conservatives to come out and vote. They're not going to want him voted into the highest office in the land."

Heard of the "vast right wing conspiracy?" Think it won't be in high gear if Sen. Clinton is the Democratic candidate?

 

[NickCole]

"you maybe don't recognize the significance of there not being even one elected African American Republican in Congress."

I think you don't understand. GOP party leaders would LOVE to have more African-American candidates and representative.

What do you mean they'd love to have more?

They don't have ANY!

There are 535 seats in Congress and not a single one is occupied by an African American elected by Republicans.

The reason there are not more is because African-Americans do not support the GOP and are not party members.

Ya think?!

And there's a reason for that.

Heard of the "vast right wing conspiracy?" Think it won't be in high gear if Sen. Clinton is the Democratic candidate?

Hillary Clinton has dealt with them before and she can deal with them again.

Against a formidable campaign with huge money and strong Republican backers, she won her first Senate race. And then after six years when Democratic and Republican citizens of New York were familiar with her competence and performance in the job, she won by a landslide.

 

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Originally Posted by NickCole View Post
I don't see that at all. Aside from everything else like Obama being a liberal who's made not voting for the war in Iraq a centerpiece of his campaign, and having to insist he'll deliver universal health care, and his immigrant stance (driver's licenses for illegals?)"

I'd rather go with the candidate who opposed the war, rather than the candidate who voted for it. Of course, as First Lady, Sen. Clinton did a fine job on health care. You don't really want to bring up the issue of driver's licenses for illegals, considering Sen. Clinton's laughable and embarrassing attempt to explain her stance in a primary debate do you?

Sen. Obama is a liberal. What is Sen. Clinton?

I don't expect to hear from you NickCole.

 

[NickCole]

Originally Posted by NickCole View Post
I don't see that at all. Aside from everything else like Obama being a liberal who's made not voting for the war in Iraq a centerpiece of his campaign, and having to insist he'll deliver universal health care, and his immigrant stance (driver's licenses for illegals?)"

I'd rather go with the candidate who opposed the war, rather than the candidate who voted for it. Of course, as First Lady, Sen. Clinton did a fine job on health care. You don't really want to bring up the issue of driver's licenses for illegals, considering Sen. Clinton's laughable and embarrassing attempt to explain her stance in a primary debate do you?

Sen. Obama is a liberal. What is Sen. Clinton?

I don't expect to hear from you NickCole.

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And with Obama picking off substantial numbers of independents and disenfranchised republicans, the right clearly sees him as a strong adversary. And rightly so.

I disagree with this, that Obama is picking off "substantial numbers" of "disenfranchised Republicans" and the implication that "substantial numbers" of Republicans would vote for him in November. And not only do I disagree with it, it's not supported by facts. Obama is not picking off a substantial number of Republicans.

In response to my post about Obama and Republicans you bitch about Hillary and want a response from me? My response is it's revealing you complain about Hillary rather than present an argument that supports the notion that Republicans will vote for Obama. If Obama runs in the general election he'll have to win votes without his supporters wailing, "We hate Hillary too!" And furthermore, all this Hate Hillary stuff coming from Obama supporters will make it difficult for Obama to embrace those of us who supported Hillary because Republicans can very easily turn that against him. Obama supporters are dividing not only the Democratic Party but the depth of Democratic power.

 

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Wow! What an amazing thread!

Seriously though, Letme raises a very good point. Obama has led the campaign with the "I will bring change mantra", and everyone that hears it projects their own idea of that change into his slogan. Brilliant!

He has given very little details about his platform, his policies, his desires.

He would sit with our adversaries, and "talk it out". This he has said. As though Mahmoud Admenijiad will be interested in tea in the rose garden once his arsenal is in place.

A two year history in the Senate. A vote "Present" in support of the war, or for funding the troops. Nice leadership that is....."present".

Well, just a quick note.....zebra's can't change their stripes. He is a big government, tax & spend liberal. He will immasculate our military, raise social welfare spending, and bring a new era of higher, hard to live with taxes to this country. Our only hope if he is elected is to place a Republican majority in the house & senate (checks & balances, you know).

In the general election, should he make it that far, he will be made to be accountable to his platform (quick somebody, can you help him out with this?). As voters seek details about the two main candidates, they will see the smoke & mirrors. Hopefully those that do will be in the majority, and he will be defeated.

His kind of change is scary, very scary!

Seriously COBob, can't you come up with anything but Limbog reasoning and Neocon slurs? If the right wing had serious people instead of ideologues ranting, then maybe the left and the right could have a dialog about what America needs, but when the pot calls the kettle black over spending then there is no hope. But then after GWB, there's not much hope left to go around anyway. We'll be paying for GWB's right wing, Neocon mistakes for generations to come. But I don't think your blinders will allow you to see the shitpile he's leaving.

What ever Obama does I have to support him because McCain is GWB in spades. How's that for racial sluring. . . and I haven't been drinking either.