Santorum, College Students Argue Gay Marriage

[Joshua_me]

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...-college-students-argue-gay-marriage/1?csp=hf

^ The justified assault begins....

 

[chrisrobin]

I just heard this on my radio. You're not in Iowa any more, Frothy!

 

[Just_Believe18]

Red-herring logical fallacy. The college student asked him about two gay men specifically, not on a discussion about polyamory or polygamy.

 

[evanrick]

I disagree with Santorums positions on many issues, and like Romey, or any politician, you cannot really take them at their word.

I admire his strong convictions and moral character, a trait he shares with the President.

Santorum is what many call a big government conservative like George Bush was, but George Bush never carried out his threat to amend the constitution to ban gay marriage.

And what would a Santorum do if a country like Iran was and is executing people for being gay? He might want to stop that, like any person would.

On the other hand, a more 'liberal' Ron Paul or Mitt Romney might do nothing, or they may overreact, under-react, who knows, but at least you know where Santorum would stand.

Of course danger with such conviction is that you become blind to the consequences of overreacting - to situations where you view your principles and ideas are being threatened. At what point does our nationalism become as extreme as the terrorists we want to destroy?

At what point do our liberties become so alienated from the America we used to be that we are unaware of the path we have taken?

As you can see, this event is but a small evidence of the larger picture we live in.

 

[rareboy]

^

On the other hand, a more 'liberal' Ron Paul or Mitt Romney might do nothing, or they may overreact, under-react, who knows, but at least you know where Santorum would stand.

I also have a pretty good idea of where Hitler might stand, but that doesn't mean that I'd want him as President because of his principles or the fact that he could make the economy work again.

 

[Kulindahr]

The questioner should have responded to Romney's counter-question, "One at a time: do you believe that the Declaration of Independence means what it says? Do you believe that all people have the right of freedom of association?"

That would put him on the spot. Because he's right -- if there's freedom to marry, then there's freedom to marry in whatever arrangement people choose, so if five in a marriage, all married to each other, floats their boat, more power to them. And that just shows that he doesn't understand marriage, and leads to another follow-up question: "Why do you think marriage is about arithmetic? Isn't it supposed to be about love?"

His position contradicts his own professed principles as a patriot and as a Christian. That needs to be made starkly clear.

 

[rareboy]

I think that Santorum and a lot of other people are very confused about the legal and religious history of marriage.

Given his positions, I wouldn't be surprised if he also didn't believe in miscegenation.

 

[Joshua_me]

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...-college-students-argue-gay-marriage/1?csp=hf

^ The justified assault begins....

*Drat*

The video has been taken down....

 

[rareboy]

^

I also have a pretty good idea of where Hitler might stand, but that doesn't mean that I'd want him as President because of his principles or the fact that he could make the economy work again.

So it has been fairly noted that I resorted to Godwin's law far too early in the game.

Let me re-frame the point.

I have a pretty good idea of where David Duke might stand, but that doesn't mean that I'd want to see him as president because of his principles.

 

[chance1]

Is this separate post # 2 about the same thing?

Complete with Hitler and David Duke references

Gee whiz

Who'd a thunk it

I give credit to Santorum for being in the room here - where there is little doubt he will be opposed strongly

He has balls

On social issues he is from another generation (s)

 

[chrisrobin]

Is this separate post # 2 about the same thing?

What is this? Which post #2? The same thing as what?

Complete with Hitler and David Duke references

Major differences: Hitler's dead. David Duke is a convicted felon.

On social issues he is from another [STRIKE]generation[/STRIKE] century.

Social issues? He wants to eliminate Social Security and Medicare also!

Mr. Sanitorium has a variety of issues regarding sexuality. Anyone who talks about sex as obsessively as he does needs some major counseling. His issues should be dealt with in the privacy of a psychiatrist's office, not on the campaign trail.

Gee Ricky, let's propose a Constitutional Amendment to ban __________.

 

[rareboy]

^ hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Extrapolating from the quoted sections, I think someone objects to me comparing Rick Santorum and his convictions to Hitler or David Duke...who I think we'd all agree are likely pretty firm in their convictions.

My point being that strength of conviction is not necessarily why you should like or even respect someone.

In this case Santorum.....

Whose unbelievably narrow religious catholic 'convictions' about abortion, his obsessive convictions about homosexual rights and his 'convictions' about black folk on food stamps among a host of convictions do not suggest that he is the leader to represent the american people.

 

[CowboyBob]

Why are Presidential candidates even talking about issues like this to begin with? Why are republicans so concerned about what goes in in private in someone else's bedroom?

If someone is President, he needs to be concerned about the economy, protection and safety of the country and it's citizens. He / she shouldn't be focusing on what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home. Santorum wants to give states the ability to make what he calls "sodomy" illegal.

Santorum wants to impose 'Judeo-Christian Sharia' on America.

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-05/...torum-santorum-two-santorum-one?_s=PM:OPINION

 

[JayHawk]

That is what will toss Santorum out the door. Ron Paul's lunacy is what always derails his campaign... so with only Mittsy, Santorum and Paul left scrapping it looks as if Romney is the candidate.

 

[Kulindahr]

Why are Presidential candidates even talking about issues like this to begin with? Why are republicans so concerned about what goes in in private in someone else's bedroom?

If someone is President, he needs to be concerned about the economy, protection and safety of the country and it's citizens. He / she shouldn't be focusing on what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home. Santorum wants to give states the ability to make what he calls "sodomy" illegal.

Santorum wants to impose 'Judeo-Christian Sharia' on America.

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-05/...torum-santorum-two-santorum-one?_s=PM:OPINION

Santorum wouldn't be so bad if he really held to the Bible. The New Testament makes clear that there is one law: love. It makes clear that the Christian has only one weapon: words. It makes clear that the realm of government is not the realm of the church and is not the business of the church.

What Santorum wants to impose is Judeo-monarchial Sharia -- a system of penalty and and punishment, with no trace of mercy or grace.

 

[Kulindahr]

Why are Presidential candidates even talking about issues like this to begin with? Why are republicans so concerned about what goes in in private in someone else's bedroom?

He's another version of the bigotry being evidenced in the "Customs" thread in Hot Topics: anything different from what he finds acceptable has to be derided, insulted, rejected as civilized.

 

[JB3]

I disagree with Santorums positions on many issues, and like Romey, or any politician, you cannot really take them at their word.

I admire his strong convictions and moral character, a trait he shares with the President.

Santorum is what many call a big government conservative like George Bush was, but George Bush never carried out his threat to amend the constitution to ban gay marriage.

And what would a Santorum do if a country like Iran was and is executing people for being gay? He might want to stop that, like any person would.

On the other hand, a more 'liberal' Ron Paul or Mitt Romney might do nothing, or they may overreact, under-react, who knows, but at least you know where Santorum would stand.

Of course danger with such conviction is that you become blind to the consequences of overreacting - to situations where you view your principles and ideas are being threatened. At what point does our nationalism become as extreme as the terrorists we want to destroy?

At what point do our liberties become so alienated from the America we used to be that we are unaware of the path we have taken?

As you can see, this event is but a small evidence of the larger picture we live in.

Interestingly, Romney might actually be a sort of 'hands-off' president. For him, I think its more about just getting to the office than actually attempting to implement anything like a constitutional marriage ban. Oh sure he'd get his hands into the economy and do that, but social issues, not so much.

That being said, no one except Obama is getting my vote.

 

[JB3]

Red-herring logical fallacy. The college student asked him about two gay men specifically, not on a discussion about polyamory or polygamy.

Its more of a slippery slope fallacy, if I do say so.

 

[chrisrobin]

Its more of a slippery slope fallacy, if I do say so.

slippery slope?

Coming from behind... beware of last-minute spurt of votes for Mr. Sanitorium in N.H.

 

[Centexfarmer]

On social issues he is from another generation (s)

How about another Country, or Planet?

Or better yet! How about the Vatican?

JFK got elected as America's first Catholic President, because he was able to assuage the fears of his critics at the time that he wouldn't be taking orders from the Pope.

Santorum, a devout Catholic, has only been scrutinized for being "bat shit crazy" by some, without making the connection that he is in fact in line with the Catholic Church and the Pope when it comes to the issues of Gays and Abortion.

The Evangelical Christians in this Country are Sheep; following whatever filth is being spewed/skewed from their pulpits (while cute little American Flags made in China are being waved), and unlike Romney Santorum isn't a Mormon.

So the thinking isn't "generational" or "old school" at all.

It's as current as the date on your calendar.

It doesn't really have jack shit to do with the Constitution, or State's Rights or any of the other crap that the right-wingers blather on about:

And some of them are struggling to find away to get around that.

TODAY!

Young and Old, Catholics, Evangelicals, and REPUBLICANS!



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