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Sarah's Palin's "Travelogue"

No but I heard clips on MSNBC driving home from work tonight

said it did 5 million viewers - christ

guessing they'll be large fall off for part 2 but still - lotta people watched

she made some reference to a 14 ft fence his husband/his buddies built to block off their "neighbor" and spoke to illegal immigration context

yeesh

i blame mccain
 
There's a petition out to have the show removed.

http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/palin_discovery2/

a short part of the site

I added this comment:

The scientific community learned back in the 60s and 70s the foolishness of killing off the big predators. Sarah Palin wants to just keep doing it, though.

I have a better idea -- kill off her show.


I do know that. It was Tina Fey.

I also know that Al Gore never claimed to have invented the internet. You know that, right?

Yep. I almost mentioned that.
I'm slipping, though -- I used to be able to quote what he actually said.

Boy, Tony...that's some love Amurrikah is showin' ol' Sarah, right?

She's not a leader. She's a spectacle.

And on Halloween, she's a spooktacle. :p
 
Hopefully she'll get mauled by a bear in the process and we'll rid of her for good.

Wow, and I thought the Republicans were the hateful ones. Interesting that her Debut gave TLC their highest ratings for a show ever. Just sayin'..
 
The media conglomerate Discovery Communications used to be known for their earth-friendly offerings. But they’ve just paid millions to Sarah Palin to host a “nature” show, despite her decidedly anti-environmental stance: She vocally advocates for habitat-destroying oil drilling, she denies global warming is a human-caused threat, and she spearheaded a brutal wolf-slaughter program as governor of Alaska.

A little off topic, but what were the reasons for supporting aerial wolf hunting?
 
Wow, and I thought the Republicans were the hateful ones. Interesting that her Debut gave TLC their highest ratings for a show ever. Just sayin'..

Many Republicans recoil at the very thought of our very existence. It is Princess Sarah that insists on her "praying away the gay." After she becomes President, we as Americans will be asking the question, "what would Sarah do?"

As far as ratings go, if TV had been in service by 1932, I'm sure the infamous torchlight parade and speech by the Chancellor at Nuremburg would have had high ratings also. Women were fainting in the aisles.
 
A little off topic, but what were the reasons for supporting aerial wolf hunting?

They were getting in the hen house?

They were stealing lambs from the sheepfold?

They were taking girls out behind the grandstands?


The only conservative/conservation reason for aerial hunting of a top predator would be a danger to the population of its prey. I don't recall hearing about the deer or elk or anything up there being endangered.
 
They were getting in the hen house?

They were stealing lambs from the sheepfold?

They were taking girls out behind the grandstands?

Haha :-)


The only conservative/conservation reason for aerial hunting of a top predator would be a danger to the population of its prey. I don't recall hearing about the deer or elk or anything up there being endangered.

That's what I have been trying to figure out, and I admit to being unfamiliar with this which is why I was asking.
This is what I've been trying to sort out from what I've been reading tonight:

*Palin's support of aerial hunting is based on predator control, so that poorer Alaskan families have moose to hunt for food (the reason is for human food, rather than prey depopulation)
*scientists seem to agree that a decrease in the prey population balance is more due to human influence and environmental damage than predator behavior
*scientists seem to agree that culling the predator population does not increase the prey population
*the aerial hunting thing totally throws me off, because what Alaskan family is too poor to buy food, but can rent a bush plane or helicopter and hire a pilot?

It doesn't seem to make sense to me.

It would sort of make sense if the reason was to prevent predator starvation and disease due to a lack of a prey population. But I read that the moose population in the state was steady and secure.

So could any Alaskans or people more familiar with this subject explain this? Or point me in the right direction for more reading?
 
Things are not looking too good for the show. Seems she has broken a law of the land. Not sure if it is a "law" law, but a "get serious" law. She was just too close to the bears and tourists will expect to get there too.

http://www.alternet.org/newsandview...._and_it's_only_the_first_episode/#paragraph2

Sarah Palin May Have Violated Wildlife Guidelines in Reality TV Show... And it's Only the First Episode

“Let's get the fish, before the bear gets the fish.” An unintentionally telling statement from Sarah Palin during a fishing segment on her new show Alaska––her over-simplistic greed for power and TV time and influence, analogized neatly in the fact that this woman would steal fish from a bear. But wildlife experts in her home state are saying that wasn't her worst infraction in the very first episode of the new reality series. According to Alaska Wildlife Alliance director John Toppenberg, Palin bucked a policy that requires people fishing in a boat to keep at least 30 feet away from bears. "It's clear from the video that she violated the guidelines," Toppenberg told the Guardian.

So, according to Toppenberg, Palin has screwed up tourisism for Alaska. People will want to get upclose and personal with Grizzleys and what do you imagine? People are gonna get killed. All because Palin wants to show how tuff she is!

And to the poster above, thanks for the petition link.
 
Yesterday, while surfing looking for a video of the show, I saw an excerpt of her sitting on a hill and saying this is where I can see Russia. So she finally did say it.
I was able to find the video, and will unwillingly watch it.
 
A lot of people tuned in out of curiosity to see the freak show. The ratings will plummet. She's exploiting her kids again for $$$. Besides, she's getting paid $1.2 million a show and she would jack off a moose for that kind of money.

For that kind of money, I'd jack off a moose, Bob. Hell, I'd even buy him dinner first!..|
 
*Palin's support of aerial hunting is based on predator control, so that poorer Alaskan families have moose to hunt for food (the reason is for human food, rather than prey depopulation)

Specious. Predator-predator competition for prey doesn't significantly impact the prey population unless there's a sudden increase in predators. Beyond that, moose is not a food source for the poor -- just one moose tends to fill two full-size freezers, minimum, and the equipment necessary isn't cheap. Elk and deer are the poor man's prey.

*scientists seem to agree that a decrease in the prey population balance is more due to human influence and environmental damage than predator behavior

Temporarily that would suggest a very limited reduction in the prey population. I don't see why aerial hunting fits in; it's certainly not cheaper.

*scientists seem to agree that culling the predator population does not increase the prey population

IFF (and a big iff) the prey population has decreased due to influences other than predator activity, and IFF the predator/prey balance is significantly off, this is true. But history, especially in Wyoming and other states there by Yellowstone, shows that reducing the number of top predators is something done carefully.

Therein might be a justification for aerial hunting: it's easier to kill predators in the numbers you want and in the places you want. Tag systems with a special season are too unpredictable, and taking off top predators is a lot like adding water to concrete mix: go a teaspoonful too far at just the 'right' point, and you have soup instead of cement to pour. Precision is preferable.

*the aerial hunting thing totally throws me off, because what Alaskan family is too poor to buy food, but can rent a bush plane or helicopter and hire a pilot?

It doesn't seem to make sense to me.

It would sort of make sense if the reason was to prevent predator starvation and disease due to a lack of a prey population. But I read that the moose population in the state was steady and secure.

So could any Alaskans or people more familiar with this subject explain this? Or point me in the right direction for more reading?

The bit about moose, as far as I can tell, is human-predator justification of the urge to kill. If the moose population is stable, there's no reason to be culling wolves.

The cost thing would be a pain in the butt to do, though here's how to go about it: you want a spreadsheet with data sets for (1) cost per wolf eliminated by aerial hunting, (2) change in moose populations due to aerial culling (3) changes in number of moose taken by the poor, and more. The idea is to figure out the price per pound of moose meat provided to the poor by aerial hunting, then compare that to the price per pound before the aerial hunting. If the price per pound is roughly the same, then the aerial program is worth it -- but without some pretty good software for the equilibrium functions of the predator/prey populations, that's going to be hard to establish.

As a hunter, I say it's just idiocy, rich people justifying their will to thrill with pious mouthings.
 
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