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Saudi Arabian gay male needs help and advices‏?

If possible, try to attend medical school or radiology tech school in the west. It will be much easier to transfer your license. With the shortage of healthcare workers, you would have no problems finding work, getting a work visa and eventually citizenship.

You will find the UK, the US and Canada much more hospitable toward gay people compared to what you are enduring now.
 
sixthson said:
Frank, I don't know why you painted such an unnecessarily negative picture of gay life in the US for the OP. Obviously your life experience has not been the same as mine. I could live anywhere I want to live and I choose the US.
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My life experience has actually been great and UP TO THIS POINT I'm very thankful to be in the United States...but I see the U. S. on the cliff right now, and very likely to be thrown over it by the new wave of extremists who are coming to power. (We are stuck with a President who I don't believe will have the backbone to veto any of this.) Fortunately some, such as Sharon Angle, were defeated. But the Republicans (many of who would gladly legislate us back into the closets) have the momentum, the funding, most of TV and pretty much all of radio, and Citizens United [Supreme Court decision] pushing them along handsomely.

An entire phalanx of new people are coming into power in January, and ALL they want is for our President to fail. They don't care about the United States or its future at all, as long as they manage to get their way.

Though things could be better in some ways, I like the way things are right now. I'm just not convinced that it will last.

Canada is already light years ahead of us in rights for LGBT people, and the gap will likely increase dramatically in the years to come.
 
Thank you guys so much, I appreciate your help tremendously, you don't know what how much it means to me, i might complain a lot but really being different from people, and be not what society/religion tells me, make things unbelievable heavy, I'm not religious nor any of my family members are, but still there my ignobly narrow-minded elder sister uses "religion" as a weapon to discriminate gay people like they're the lowest form of the ridiculous "choice" humans have decided to be, she's extremely talented in a very unique verbal torture, I usually 9 out of 10 don't listen to her insane level of rubbishness , but sometime her words get me still, I have some Arab gay guys friends I talk to on MSN (whom i never met in person and probably won't) have put me down, and influenced me with suicidal thoughts, sometimes these thoughts get me but never had committed any(Duh), cause i know for a fact it's not the way to go (dude, I think i'm having a winter depression even though the lack of the lights isn't the case where i live), but i still am here hoping things get better somehow, i've seen the last Katy Perry music video (firework) and liked it's lyrics "Maybe the reason why all the doors are closed,So you can open one that leads you to the perfect road" she really did a great job with such an amazing lyrics (i don't think she wrote it herself ), there's also something awful i wanted to tell you, i might be jealous of you guys cause you're taking it so much easier, all you have to do is finding the right time to come out to your parents/friends whereas I have to give it all up, leave my family, leave friends and all the people and the environment i use to live in, move to a foreign country and face racial issues and get bullied and criticized by people and i know there will be arrogant ignorant people see me as someone lower than them, and may or may not find a job and if i have found one it won't offer an okay pay/works-hours and i do all of the issues i mentioned and face it all just to live my life peacefully, i wish i were living in an accepting society, i know it isn't that easy in the U.S (the racism,low pay jobs and all that) but still far more better than here, in the U.S it's getting much better for the LGBTQ since celebrities have done the "NO H8" campaign, i still hesitate to what country i should probably head it to, but since majority of people i personally know have recommended Canada as great destination for an immigrant, I've done fairly enough of serious researches for the main time, and those researches reassure me and comfort me from worrying about my futuristic plans for better and happier life with or without my family and friends approval, good, loyal and trust-worthy friends aren't that hard to make, and family by choice isn't impossible, hmm in case of doubt, I obvious am not a native English spoken, English isn't my first language, so please don't pay attention to my " 5 years old girl" spelling, grammars and vocabularies, I think my laziness stops me form learning new words and vocabularies, but as i always say languages found for communication, people with high level of linguistic intelligence use language as an art, the rest of us (which i am one of them) uses it to continue with others .


btw my name's Danny, love you guys all(with no exception) ^.^​
 
Your English is better than probably 85% of the writers in this Forum... And Canada is a good place to immigrate too, I would thoroughly suggest it.. our views on immigrations are directly contrary to Americas. American is known for using the melting pot idea which means your now an american.. Canada has built into our charter of rights and freedoms the basis for multiculturalism...
 
Come to the USA! Despite what some disgruntled people on the forum here are saying, it is a wonderful country full of opportunity! And if you move to a major city, there are wonderful places to live and thrive as gay.

No, the world is not perfect for gays anywhere but don't be discouraged from coming to the USA simply because a few people here have bitterness.

You'll find USA to be absolute heaven compared to Saudi Arabia in terms of freedom!

I'm sorry that some people here have used your terrible situation just to rant against the USA. There are bitter queens everywhere.

But I assure you, the rights and freedom you have here will astound you! You will absolutely love it here!

Best of luck. And don't listen to the bitter queens.
 
LOL your English is better then mines, Good luck with your move just hang in there and don't let your family get the best of you.

Check out http://www.city-data.com/forum/ they talk about Different Cities around the world and check out http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/ they have amazing pictures of different cities around the world. You could do your research on various gay friendly cities around the world using those websites


But I agree come to the USA you would love it here we have tons of gay friendly cities (Chicago,Atlanta,NYC,San Francisco Etc)
 
I'm sorry about all you've gone through and what you've got to put up with every day, just don't give up. I'm glad you have everything pretty figured out so far though, it'll make it easier for you when you finally move out, I think that's the best choice you can make. I know it's really sad you can't live as you wish in your own country and with your own family, but we're here to be happy mate, don't ever forget that, if happiness can't be reached where you are, then move on/out and keep going, nobody is meant to be a martyr.
I'd tell you to come and live here where I live, the city is quite open-minded though we still don't have gay marriage so it may be better to go somewhere else, Canada sounds good, the US does too, about the UK I lived there about 5 years myself (London) it's quite accepting and comfortable for gay people but it's not easy to get a job, specially if you're an immigrant and it's also rather expensive. Weight your options and get the hell out of there.

by the way your English is very good, I've had worse times trying to understand native speakers.

good luck!
 
Best of luck, Danny!
If you do choose the US, there are plenty of very diverse cities with vibrant gay and international communities where you can continue your career path. I consider my own to be one of these.
 
I can't comment on immigration policies in the US,UK or Canada since I am from neither of those countries. I just wanted to remind you to make sure you are not leaving any trace of your communications behind on the computer you are using. It is also advisable to obscure the origin and source of your network connections, so that your postings cannot be traced back to you personaly. I hope that you will be able to get of this unfortunate situation and wish you all the best.
 
Hello gaykitten I think Canada is better than the United States. First, same sex marriage is LEGAL in Canada. Second, I think it would be easier for you to get into Canada than the United States. You can claim refugee status in Canada and say you are being persecuted for being gay in Saudi Arabia. Canada has several amazing universities to choose from. You could move to Toronto which is the best city in the world! Toronto is very clean, very multicultural, and yes we have a multi ethnic gay community and services. Other Canadian cities I would suggest are Vancouver and Montreal.
 
If you can stand the weather here, come to Canada. We need more skilled medical professionals. You won't get awesome money, but it'll be enough.

Get out of Saudi NOW. Finish your schooling here. Seriously. Don't stay there another month if you can help it.
 
^ As they (last two) said...

True, if you end up in Canada, a "climate shock" is unavoidable - nothing there is similar at all to Saudi Arabia.

Despite what I said earlier, the United States IS still a wondrful place to be living. I would prefer Canada, though.
 
Hello Gaykitten. I too am middle eastern, and here in Los Angeles, there is great amount of gay middle eastern. We even have a gay middle eastern club. I think you've already set your goals to leave the middle east. I think the best thing you can do at this point is wait it out.

Let me know if you need any information. Los Angeles has many organizations that can offer support.
 
Come to Canada. We welcome you :) And yes, your English is excellent (better than many native speakers I know).
 
Although I LOVE living in the US, my advice is to immigrate to a country such as Canada or Australia that has less immigration restrictions than US. That way you will be able to get out of Saudi Arabia faster. There may be a longer wait to come to US. And if you live in Canada, you can always come visit US with a shorter flight than from Australia to US.

Good luck Danny!
 
http://www.legit.ca/refugees.html

http://www.legit.ca/imm.html

Here is information on refugee status (maybe difficult) and other paths to immigration to Canada. No one here will complicate your life because you are gay or because you are not religious. If anyone tries, you have the courts and the police to help you. Some people here, from any religion, are traditionally-minded and think they have the right to control you, but they have no real power.
 
Danny....please keep yourself safe until you can leave for another environment. If you are educated and intuitive, the sky is the limit.

Good luck. And, when you have one of those days when you don't know what to do, there will be someone on JUB to offer positive thoughts.
 
Yes Canada or the US are fine countries both for gay people, but it is easier to get into Canada so I would try there. Although, coming from the desert you are in for a bit of a climate adjustment going to Canada lol.
 
I encourage you to continue on with your schooling and when you are finished, to move to any of the places you mentioned.

I think it's downright wrong that some religions and groups of people still don't accept gay people.

But if they knew that it's something we just can't help feeling in our hearts, maybe they'd be more lenient.

Either way, once you do move, you will probably be much happier.

I wish you nothing but the best of luck!!!! :king:
 
By the way, welcome to JUB, Danny! And be careful who you are around when coming here!!
 
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