Schedule set for oral arguments over Proposition 8

[White Eagle]

I received this in an email this AM. Can't make heads or tails of it. I looked at http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ but the last movement was 12/2.
What do you make of it?

United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit

Notice of Docket Activity

The following transaction was entered on 12/23/2010 at 4:41:29 PM PST and filed on 12/22/2010
Case Name: Kristin Perry, et al v. Arnold Schwarzenegger, et al
Case Number: 10-16696
Document(s): Document(s)

Docket Text:
Received original and 6 copies of Amicus Curiae - Pending John Doe pro se amicus brief in 6 pages. Served on 12/22/2010. Major deficiencies: untimely,

insufficient brief copies. Unable to notify prospective amicus of deficiencies because no acceptable or usable contact information provided. (To Panel) [7591455]

(LA)

The following document(s) are associated with this transaction:
Document Description: Main Document
Original Filename: 9f90eb40-3137-4e23-b822-d4d8619a4b98.tmp.pdf
Electronic Document Stamp:
[STAMP acecfStamp_ID=1106763461 [Date=12/22/2010] [FileNumber=7591455-0]

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[Zeno Lorea]

I wonder when we will get blamed for burning down the Mormon Tabernacle.

We already were, believe me, in marmon family gatherings and housewives' soda time (no tea or coffee for marmons who follow the spirchul guidance of the Lard) the following days. "It must have been gays/democrats/abortionists", "it must have been because we defend traditional marriage and oppose speshul rights", etc. I know what my my relatives are like.

And sorry for mocking the "marmon" dialect

 

[White Eagle]

We already were, believe me, in marmon family gatherings and housewives' soda time (no tea or coffee for marmons who follow the spirchul guidance of the Lard) the following days. "It must have been gays/democrats/abortionists", "it must have been because we defend traditional marriage and oppose speshul rights", etc. I know what my my relatives are like.

And sorry for mocking the "marmon" dialect

No problem, sounds a lot like some here in Texas.

 

[hotatlboi]

I received this in an email this AM. Can't make heads or tails of it. I looked at http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ but the last movement was 12/2.
What do you make of it?

Looks like someone tried to file an Amicus Curiae brief with the court on the case but it was received late and they left no contact information, in other words they filed an invalid brief.

 

[White Eagle]

Oh, OK. Thanks.

 

[Kulindahr]

Looks like someone tried to file an Amicus Curiae brief with the court on the case but it was received late and they left no contact information, in other words they filed an invalid brief.

It could be interesting knowing what it was about.

 

[MIJ-VI]

CALIFORNIA: Pastor Who Backed Prop 8 Held On Multiple Child Molestation Charges
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2011/01/california-pastor-who-backed-prop-8.html

 

[Kulindahr]

CALIFORNIA: Pastor Who Backed Prop 8 Held On Multiple Child Molestation Charges
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2011/01/california-pastor-who-backed-prop-8.html

Just what they needed for a morale boost.

 

[MIJ-VI]

Just what they needed for a morale boost.

Speaking of which, is there a thread around here which lists outed anti-LGBT hypocrites (while acknowledging that in many cases said individuals were also deeply closeted victims of discrimination themselves)?

The ones I'm aware of are listed near the bottom of this post:
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10159559&postcount=116

 

[rareboy]

Do we know if he was diddling the little boys or the little girls in his congregation?

Ah the fruits of repression in the christian church.

The worst part is, he probably found some way to reconcile and rationalize all this to himself.

 

[MIJ-VI]

Church board supports pastor jailed in sex case
By Bill Lindelof - <blindelof@sacbee.com>
http://www.modbee.com/2011/01/02/1494069/church-board-supports-pastor-jailed.html

 

[Kulindahr]

Ah the fruits of repression in the christian church.

The worst part is, he probably found some way to reconcile and rationalize all this to himself.

Repression... yes, and no.

He probably didn't "reconcile and rationalize" at all -- that's a VERY low likelihood. No, he probably condemned himself, but considered it "warfare", a battle the Lord allowed him to fight, one he had to fight alone lest it burden his congregation. Any rationalizing wasn't to justify it, but to not ask for help.

Sometimes I think the guy who wrote "Onward Christian Soldiers" should have been shot. Trouble is, there's that "warfare" theme all over the place -- and at least in that hymn, it isn't shown as a solo effort.

I'd say, to him and any other pastors out there having such a "battle", that this isn't their battle alone. An attack on the pastor is an attack on the church, so it isn't the pastor's job to try to fight alone, it's his duty to go to the elders and say, "Help!" Not only are you, pastor, more likely to "win" that way, but your failed "battles" will be less likely to be hurting others.

Church board supports pastor jailed in sex case
By Bill Lindelof - <blindelof@sacbee.com>
http://www.modbee.com/2011/01/02/1494069/church-board-supports-pastor-jailed.html

Standard "innocent till proven guilty" release -- churches, clubs, companies all do it. It's very American -- so good for them.

 

[MIJ-VI]

I too think it's good that they're circling the waggons 'round a guy whose bail is set at $6,000,000...

 

[Kulindahr]

I too think it's good that they're circling the waggons 'round a guy whose bail is set at $6,000,000...

I call that amount an emotional reaction by the judge, unless there's information not available publicly. And having seen emotional reactions from judges, it wouldn't surprise me if the information only justifies a $600,000 bail.

The real test will come when testimony is heard.



I started thinking this pastor would be better off if Baptists had a sensible structure with accountability, with people for pastors to turn to. That would mean bishops....

and we've all seen how much good having bishops has done the Catholics.

 

[MIJ-VI]

I call that amount an emotional reaction by the judge, unless there's information not available publicly. And having seen emotional reactions from judges, it wouldn't surprise me if the information only justifies a $600,000 bail.

The real test will come when testimony is heard.



I started thinking this pastor would be better off if Baptists had a sensible structure with accountability, with people for pastors to turn to. That would mean bishops....

and we've all seen how much good having bishops has done the Catholics.

Not to mention cardinals...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...aedophile-priest-sex-abuse-200-deaf-boys.html

Between society's unwanted waifs who are abused by blasphemous hypocrites, and the those who are exploited by predators, kidi-pornographers, and drug dealers after being rejected by 'God fear'un' flocks--just for being queer, sheep whose wrists fearfully fly into the Signum Crucis at the mere whisper of that "abomination" known as gay marriage have much to answer for--but never will. Pathetic...

 

[metta]

BREAKING: 9th Circuit rules on the Prop 8 case


http://prop8trialtracker.com/2011/01/04/breaking-9th-circuit-ruling-on-the-prop-8-case/

 

[MIJ-VI]

Is there a lawyer in the house? ^

 

[Kulindahr]

That's a misleading headline -- there's no ruling at all, there's just a question, sent back to the California Supreme Court:
under California law, do the proponents have standing to defend the measure?

That was one of the obvious possibilities from all the testimony we all listened to a while back.

From there -- CalSC could say "No", in which case the 9th will almost certainly say the same, and the case dies. CalSC could say "Yes", in which case the 9th might or might not go with that, depending on the wording of the CalSC decision.

Prepare to wait.

 

[MIJ-VI]

In other words: 'In the fullness of time...'

 

[rareboy]

Pretty much where I had figured it would go.

The state not defending the proposition will be the key concern here.

And has been pointed out, if the state has said it will not try to defend Prop 8, surely then, the federal ruling in California stands.... and homos can start booking the caterers.