School shooter , life or death?

[Peloso]

Wherever they send him, he'll be a celebrity.

 

[m1thousand]

From wikipedia . . . .


Dahmer again pleaded guilty to the charges and was sentenced to a 16th term of life imprisonment on May 1, 1992

On July 3, 1994, a fellow inmate, Osvaldo Durruthy, attempted to slash Dahmer's throat with a razor embedded in a toothbrush as Dahmer sat in the prison chapel after the weekly church service was concluded

Jeffrey Dahmer - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Araucaria]

My sense of the verdict in recommending life in the Parkland shooting, is that the jury felt that the adults in his life and the system failed him. Also, perhaps also that the laws and gun culture in this country may have made it all too easy for the shooter, who otherwise may have been just another troubled young man, to commit those murders.

No one who said they were opposed to the death penalty would have been picked for that jury, nor would anyone who came in saying "fry him." Thus, the people on the jury had not made up their minds at the beginning of the trial. Florida law was set up for a unanimous decision for the death penalty because of numerous court challenges, in a state where politicians are more than eager to tilt the scales in favor of execution.

I'm sure these same politicians will denounce the verdict, and will insist on rewriting the laws. And with all the Trump judges newly appointed, whose only consideration seems to be that the law is what they want it to be, I suspect they'll give a free pass to whatever the Florida legislature concocts in the next session.

 

[NotHardUp1]

The attempt on Dahmer in the chapel in '94 was unsuccessful and resulted in only superficial wounds. But, to your point, I got the details of Dahmer's murder wrong.

The killer, Christopher Scarver, was a convicted murderer himself, who was incarcerated for his 1990 murder of a Wisconsin Conservation Corps supervisor whom he was enraged at for not paying him enough wages. Scarver shot him, then shot the body twice more after he knew the man was dead, then demanded money from another staff member, who gave him a $3,000 check before he fled the scene.

Mr. Scarver's mugshot:

On the Monday following Thanksgiving Day in 1994, Jeffrey Dahmer and Scarver and another inmate, Jesse Anderson, were assigned to a two-hour unsupervised cleaning assignment to clean the bathrooms and showers. Scarver had secretly concealed a 20-inch steel bar, taken from prison exercise equipment on his person, and used it to beat both Dahmer and Anderson until both were unconscious. Both were discovered in a bloody mess a little after 8:00 a.m., and Dahmer died less than an hour later at hospital. Anderson lingered for two days before succumbing. Scarver received two more life sentences, to no effect. Many believed he murdered both men as a racial revenge killing because Dahmer's victims were primarily black men and Anderson had falsely accused two black men of having murdered his wife when he had actually done it.

I apologize for misremembering the detail. The gym bar became a commode plunger in my memory due to the setting probably, as I cannot find any news report now that could have misreported it, so I probably morphed it in error.

What tragic lives.

 

[unloadonme]

... The gym bar became a commode plunger in my memory ...

What would Freud say about that?

 

[NotHardUp1]

Probably something racist.

 

[Vannie]

We can only hope all our deaths are as humane as a lethal injection. Unfortunately that wont be the case for most of us. Although I do think his life in prison should be cut short and painful.

 

[NotHardUp1]

He murdered 17. He shot one girl eight times. I heard her father speak. How he did not try to kill the man in court is beyond me.

We all want to think of ourselves as civil and in control and peaceable, but let someone murder your daughter and do it in such a vicious manner, a cruel manner, and see how your civility fades.

Justice has not been done. No amount of fetal alcohol syndrome is relevant. He was operating as a free adult when he committed the crime. He made elaborate preparations to commit the murders. He is accountable for them, not as the defense counsel argued.

And due punishment is not life in prison. It's death. Even a mercifully painless death, but death.

 

[gsdx]

What would Freud say about that?

"Sometimes a commode plunger is just a commode plunger. Here. Have a cigar."

 

[m1thousand]

Im sorry. I thought he died when he got his throat slashed. I was wrong.

Death​

On the morning of November 28, 1994, Dahmer left his cell to conduct his assigned work detail. Accompanying him were two fellow inmates, Jesse Anderson and Christopher Scarver. The trio were left unsupervised in the showers of the prison gym for approximately 20 minutes. At approximately 8:10 a.m.[289] Dahmer was discovered on the floor of the bathrooms of the gym suffering from extreme head wounds;[290][291] he had been severely bludgeoned about the head and face with a 20-inch (51-centimeter) metal bar.[289] His head had also been repeatedly struck against the wall in the assault.[292] Although Dahmer was still alive and was rushed to a nearby hospital, he was pronounced dead one hour later. Anderson had been beaten with the same instrument, and died two days later from his wounds.[284][293]

Jeffrey Dahmer - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I couldnt imagine being a family member and having your loved ones live not really matter. I dont know if I would choose life or death. I think he (Cruz) gets a break if he is put to death but you have to ask if he would be punished in the after life. On the other hand, rotting in a jail cell would be miserable also.

 

[cabinfever]

I am OK with the death penalty in cases like this or similar ones where someone just randomly starts killing alot of people - even worse - children. I can't see how anyone who has it in them to do that can be rehabilitated.

Having said that - I am also not sure that I would vote for the death penalty if I was on the jury as it makes me unsettled to "play God" with someone else's life - and maybe there are just some things I don't have the capacity to understand so that kind of judgement gives me pause and would create alot of conflict for me.

 

[NotHardUp1]

On the morning of November 28, 1994, Dahmer left his cell to conduct his assigned work detail. Accompanying him were two fellow inmates, Jesse Anderson and Christopher Scarver. The trio were left unsupervised in the showers of the prison gym for approximately 20 minutes. At approximately 8:10 a.m.[289] Dahmer was discovered on the floor of the bathrooms of the gym suffering from extreme head wounds;[290][291] he had been severely bludgeoned about the head and face with a 20-inch (51-centimeter) metal bar.[289] His head had also been repeatedly struck against the wall in the assault.[292] Although Dahmer was still alive and was rushed to a nearby hospital, he was pronounced dead one hour later. Anderson had been beaten with the same instrument, and died two days later from his wounds.[284][293]

Gee, that sounds familiar.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Wherever they send him, he'll be a celebrity.

his commissary account finna be poppin for the rest of his miserable life

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

We all want to think of ourselves as civil and in control and peaceable, but let someone murder your daughter and do it in such a vicious manner, a cruel manner, and see how your civility fades.

Unfortuantely, for some, dare I say many, it takes a lot less than a daughter being killed.

Justice has not been done.

This is America. You find justice, you call me and tell her we need to chat.

 

[m1thousand]

Gee, that sounds familiar.

Because you got it right, and I got it wrong ;-)

 

[NotHardUp1]

No, because I literally posted that entire series of events and you repeated it, for whatever reason.