School shooting in Oxford Michigan [MERGED]

[peeonme]

"The right to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged". Like it or not, this is where we are at and I personally do not want it to change. Laws with severe repercussions for guy owners that do not secure fire arms from children might be the answer. We can't secure our borders from massive amounts of illegal drugs and we see cities with all sorts of smash and grab, arson and murders. People seem to feel as though the world must go their way and if it doesn't it's time for killing and anarchy.

As I have said before when I bought my first shotgun I was 15 and walked about a quarter mile home with it in plain sight. I met with a local cop at a restaurant where my mom worked at about 10:00 pm and he inspected it for me, yes I was walking around at 15 after dark with a shot gun. In shop class I made a gun rack. We would load all of our guns into the trunk of my brothers car and head for the woods to shoot beer cans(that we emptied). Not many of us were "church" goers, but we had "do unto others..." drilled into our heads from an early age, along with "thou shalt not kill".

When the second amendment was written people weren't secular humanists, they had a fear of God and a sense of morality that made them think of consequences.

 

[cityboy-stl]

Re: School shooting in my old "home town"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59530279

Actions have consequences.

Now they're being held under half-million dollars bond each. What I find most disturbing about this is, they were planning to abandon their son. They're his parents for God's sake. The kid is likely to be in prison for rest of his life and he only 15 years old. But the parents who share much of the culpability for the whole incident were in the process of fleeing and abandoning their own child. I'm not trying to defend the kid or anything, but they're his parents and he is 15. They are still responsible for him. How depicable and cold-hearted and immoral can they be? I guess we already know that answer. This whole incident is just sickening to the core. I hope they throw every book they have at them and even that would not be justice for the terror and murder this whole family perpetrated.

 

[unloadonme]

When the second amendment was written people weren't secular humanists, they had a fear of God and a sense of morality that made them think of consequences.

The Second Amendment dates from 1791. People's sense of morality in the US at the time extended to slave owning, dispossessing native Americans and shooting each other at virtually every opportunity.

 

[peeonme]

The Second Amendment dates from 1791. People's sense of morality in the US at the time extended to slave owning, dispossessing native Americans and shooting each other at virtually every opportunity.

I had a hunch this would be used, I hope that you know that when slavery came to this continent it was under British rule. Understand also that a very small number of people were slave owners. The slave card is used Ad nauseam
to degrade my nation and the fact that white men shed their blood to end slavery in this nation is never taken into account. However... we did clean up after the Crown

 

[unloadonme]

I had a hunch this would be used, I hope that you know that when slavery came to this continent it was under British rule. Understand also that a very small number of people were slave owners. The slave card is used Ad nauseam
to degrade my nation and the fact that white men shed their blood to end slavery in this nation is never taken into account. However... we did clean up after the Crown

I realise that of course. My point was that we've moved on and that in some respects what was considered acceptable 230 years ago is not considered acceptable today. America seems unable, however, to move on from the Second Amendment which looks increasingly inappropriate in the twenty first century.

 

[rareboy]

Given that the second amendment was created solely to permit slave owners to arm themselves against their slaves rebelling....it is utterly anachronistic. But it is the heart and soul of America. Of course, the 'well regulated militia' part of the amendment apparently has no meaning whatsoever.

 

[peeonme]

And... my point is that we didn't see school boys grab the squirrel riffle and go shoot up the school house. There were "scuffles" and boys met at the monkey bars, today that's called "toxic masculinity".

Now, to get back on track... the second amendment is going no where fast and has been interpreted to mean that the common man can keep and bear arms. What concerns me is that Pandora's box has been opened and it now seems to be an okay answer for a small number of boys to snuff out life.

The left cries "gun control!!!" the right replies with "keep and bear arms!!!" Mean while a little Billy somewhere is pissed off at everyone because of what ever. I wonder if somehow the toothpaste can be put back into the tube. Can we somehow stop this "trend"?

Then we must ask why we do see this activity in inner city schools. Could it be the metal detectors? The added security? Parents in the 'burbs don't want their children to feel like they are going to a prison all day to learn so instead they sit in a prison of fear.

I don't fly, but those who do might remember the time before 9-11 when there was little to zero security at airports. Now few people seem to mind the inconvenience they might grumble somewhat but they know it's better than being on a hi jacked flight or having the aircraft blow up in mid air.

The federal government decided that seat belts and air bags were needed... they can do the same with metal detectors at all schools. Make it a mandate!!

 

[nycguydowntown]

The Second Amendment dates from 1791. People's sense of morality in the US at the time extended to slave owning, dispossessing native Americans and shooting each other at virtually every opportunity.

yes and half the country wants to return to this---actually we are a very violent country and always have been---there is no reasoning with these people the guns turn them on and make them feel important --they think they are protecting us from government takeover of their lives---meanwhile they have taken over our quality of life.-- maybe we should all have surface to air missiles ---the 2nd amendment should cover that

 

[peeonme]

^^
It's sad and ludicrous to use a tragedy that took the lives of 4 children to advance agenda that has nothing to do with the event. I know of no one that wants to bring back slavery... let alone 50% of this nation wanting to do so. But this is a good example of why problems do not get fixed. Instead of people coming together to find ways to prevent more shootings from taking place they use these events to move the ball down the field and promote their agenda

Do you care that today that there are 4 bodies of teenagers that are riddled from bullets... that these 4 teens will not open Christmas gifts this year? That there will be 4 empty chairs at the table? I think of this and a mentally unstable young man whose symptoms were ignored by his parents.

Make the schools safe, the government could end gun sales tomorrow... but good luck in collecting them. We have guns, all kinds of guns. Big ones, small ones and in between ones. We need to keep them out of all of our public schools. The department of education could require that all schools install metal detectors if they wish to receive funding from the federal government. Money from Build Back Better could be used to make all public schools safer.

 

[rareboy]

^ This is nonsense.

It is just another round of 'Everything else except our unregulated and out of control obsession with guns is the problem'

We all watch as America plays this same refrain every time there is a mass shooting and because the perp is white....it is always a mental health issue.

If these parents hadn't bought their kid a gun, we wouldn't likely be here today.

If Americans cared as much about the lives of kids in school as they do about having untrammeled access to guns, the whole discussion would advance. But Americans don't. Period. And mark my words, the country has already moved on. These kids are just more forgotten victims. Collateral damage.

 

[Kahaih]

^^
It's sad and ludicrous to use a tragedy that took the lives of 4 children to advance agenda that has nothing to do with the event. I know of no one that wants to bring back slavery... let alone 50% of this nation wanting to do so. But this is a good example of why problems do not get fixed. Instead of people coming together to find ways to prevent more shootings from taking place they use these events to move the ball down the field and promote their agenda

Do you care that today that there are 4 bodies of teenagers that are riddled from bullets... that these 4 teens will not open Christmas gifts this year? That there will be 4 empty chairs at the table? I think of this and a mentally unstable young man whose symptoms were ignored by his parents.

Make the schools safe, the government could end gun sales tomorrow... but good luck in collecting them. We have guns, all kinds of guns. Big ones, small ones and in between ones. We need to keep them out of all of our public schools. The department of education could require that all schools install metal detectors if they wish to receive funding from the federal government. Money from Build Back Better could be used to make all public schools safer.

Nice attempt, and for that I would gladly shake your hand.


But pretty much a waste of your time.

The primary/most visible mouthpieces on this website are just narrow minded, meme posting, bandwagon hoppers who clearly don't have what it takes to see the big picture. They simply do not matter.

 

[gsdx]

In case anyone is interested:

Michigan school shooting suspect Ethan Crumbley has been appointed an attorney by the court after his parents hired their own high-profile legal team but not a lawyer to represent their son on his murder and terrorism charges.

Paulette Michel Loftin, a little known defence attorney based out of Rochester, Detroit, was appointed by court officials on Thursday to represent the 15-year-old alleged mass shooter.

Ms Loftin told the Detroit Free Press she had been appointed at the request of the teenager because he could not afford to hire his own attorney.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/oxford-school-shooting-ethan-crumbley-150133681.html

I am beginning to understand this young man and why he did what he did.

 

[rareboy]

Why didn't he just murder them instead?

That would have worked.

 

[cityboy-stl]

Now they're being held under half-million dollars bond each. What I find most disturbing about this is, they were planning to abandon their son. They're his parents for God's sake. The kid is likely to be in prison for the rest of his life and he only 15 years old. But the parents who share much of the culpability for the whole incident were in the process of fleeing and abandoning their own child. I'm not trying to defend the kid or anything, but they're his parents, and he is 15. They are still responsible for him. How despicable and cold-hearted and immoral can they be? I guess we already know that answer. This whole incident is just sickening to the core. I hope they throw every book they have at them and even that would not be justice for the terror and murder this whole family has perpetrated.

In case anyone is interested:

Michigan school shooting suspect Ethan Crumbley has been appointed an attorney by the court after his parents hired their own high-profile legal team but not a lawyer to represent their son on his murder and terrorism charges.

Paulette Michel Loftin, a little known defence attorney based out of Rochester, Detroit, was appointed by court officials on Thursday to represent the 15-year-old alleged mass shooter.

Ms Loftin told the Detroit Free Press she had been appointed at the request of the teenager because he could not afford to hire his own attorney.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/oxford-school-shooting-ethan-crumbley-150133681.html

I am beginning to understand this young man and why he did what he did.

That's the point I was trying to make. In addition to all the despicable things these parents have done, the most disturbing is they've abandoned their own child. For sure, they abandoned him emotionally years ago.

 

[rareboy]

They have a history of abandonment.

Their neighbour at one time called child protective services....but nothing was done.

A neighbor of the Oxford High school shooter, Ethan Crumbley and his parents, has revealed she had to call Children’s Protective Services to report the way his parents were treating Crumbley.

Kayla LeMieux claims that Jennifer and James Crumbley often left Ethan alone when they went out to bars in downtown Lake Orion back when Ethan was eight or nine years old.

https://www.yourtango.com/news/ethan-crumbleys-parents-were-reported-cps-neighbor

 

[peeonme]

https://www.tmz.com/2021/12/06/etha...arre-incident-last-year/?adid=zergnet-main-lp

There is certainly a lot more going on than we have heard about.

 

[Alistair]

^ They gave their son a semi-auto handgun what makes you think they wouldn’t give him drugs or alcohol ? He looks drunk off his ass in that video.

 

[rareboy]

 

[cityboy-stl]

We are not so far from a million deaths in the U.S. right now - 790,000.

But Mah Freedumb! You can't tell me what to do.

 

[peeonme]

^ They gave their son a semi-auto handgun what makes you think they wouldn’t give him drugs or alcohol ? He looks drunk off his ass in that video.

That was my thought as well.