Science can answer moral questions

[Kulindahr]

Fixed that for you.

If you think that's a fix, then you must understand why you were wrong in the first place.

 

[bankside]

No; you can claim - erroneously and unconvincingly, given among other things the history of the English language - that God and morality are synonyms. But you can't claim that "one follows from the other because we know that one follows from the other."

You have the god/morality dog chasing its own tail.

 

[Kulindahr]

No; you can claim - erroneously and unconvincingly, given among other things the history of the English language - that God and morality are synonyms. But you can't claim that "one follows from the other because we know that one follows from the other."

You have the god/morality dog chasing its own tail.

I don't have anything chasing its own tail. Your asserted, without any logical examination of the issue, that any morals from a deity had to be arbitrary.

Logically, that's false.

And now you're making things up about the issue, and I'm not going to play that game.

 

[bankside]

I don't have anything chasing its own tail. Your asserted, without any logical examination of the issue, that any morals from a deity had to be arbitrary.

Logically, that's false.

And now you're making things up about the issue, and I'm not going to play that game.

Your assertion about my logic is mistaken, both in its content and in your understanding how I arrived at my own assertion.

Shall I play your game and leave you to figure it out? Or would you like the courtesy of an explanation?

 

[poolerboy]

Science has nothing to say about morals until one chooses a position to start from.

And the starting points are consciousness and well-being.

Consciousness is the only intelligible domain in which morality could possibly rest on. What is the alternative?

Well-being doesn't only lie at the bottom of morality either. It lies at the bottom of all the other scientific values as well. The value of the well-being of conscious creatures seems actually stronger than any of the other values of science I listed. Ask yourself: Why should we assume that understanding the universe is good? Why should we value this? Why should we value evidence? All of this, when we get into the details, is actually subservient to a more basic concern for well-being.