Because she want to tell people how corrupt the media, the dnc and the republicans are .
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Scratch Ticket [Democratic Candidates that dropped out of 2020 race]
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Because she want to tell people how corrupt the media, the dnc and the republicans are .
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Yawn. This line of bullshit is just tired and tedious.
If that's what she's doing, and you don't have any kind of track record for accuracy, then the candidate Russia is trying to use is claiming EVERYONE is corrupt but her?
Please. Or is it your employer paying you to push specific people?
Well, the Bernie bros are about to steal that puerile stupidity in about a nanosecond so enjoy while it lasts.
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But she isn't is she? She is invisible in this whole race.
Early on, she emerged as a really unlikable and apparently homophobic candidate and has never had any traction on anything.
Of all the candidates, she has sounded most like a Republican running as a Democrat...with positions that just don't seem to align with any principles of the Democratic party that I have seen.
I think that you and others might be trying to project motives that she just doesn't have.
Fortunately, she won't even be like a Jill Stein or Libertarian spoiler this time around. In fact, there seems to be no buzz behind her running as a credible independent candidate in order to drain votes away from the Democrats.
I think she's still in it because she is being funded by dark money and she is going to milk that cow as long as the cheque keeps coming in. She may also have some delusion that she could angle for a VP position if she had any delegates to throw behind a candidate. When her sugar daddies turn off the tap, she will be out on her ass.
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Sorry to see Elizabeth Warren out of the race, but there was no way she was going to win the nominatiion.
American Democrats will be gun-shy about running another woman candidate after seeing what the GOP and Russia did with Hillary.
Definitely the smartest candidate with the best worked out plans.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...hjYNKWQfXKoakaO4Dshsg0dVTI_s3DVNp9MfIKPM92kS8
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Warren drops out
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-drops-out.html
Now lets see who she will endorse.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-drops-out.html
Now lets see who she will endorse.
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Re: Warren drops out
If she endorses Biden it literally goes against a lot of what she said she believed in. Considering she hopped the train on her opinion about Super Pacs I won't be surprised if she does, though. What a "progressive."
If she endorses Biden it literally goes against a lot of what she said she believed in. Considering she hopped the train on her opinion about Super Pacs I won't be surprised if she does, though. What a "progressive."
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Re: Warren drops out
So, Bernie has started running ads implying Obama endorses him. It's what he needs to do, but it's also misleading since Obama has been careful not to endorse anyone. Warren says she won't endorse anyone. We'll see if that holds.
Last time Bernie got in trouble he completely about faced and demanded that Superdelegates nominate him and ignore the majority vote Hillary had. Now he's not got even a plurality and we'll see how long his position holds that the candidate with a plurality, not a majority, get the nom even if there is a contested convention.
They have all said and done things that contradict something they said in a different context, sometimes for the better, sometimes not. Once again, Bernie is in the box he built for himself, he wanted the support of rabid fanatics and he got it, now he can't compromise when that is the most prudent thing to do. Does that sound like some other party?
So, Bernie has started running ads implying Obama endorses him. It's what he needs to do, but it's also misleading since Obama has been careful not to endorse anyone. Warren says she won't endorse anyone. We'll see if that holds.
Last time Bernie got in trouble he completely about faced and demanded that Superdelegates nominate him and ignore the majority vote Hillary had. Now he's not got even a plurality and we'll see how long his position holds that the candidate with a plurality, not a majority, get the nom even if there is a contested convention.
They have all said and done things that contradict something they said in a different context, sometimes for the better, sometimes not. Once again, Bernie is in the box he built for himself, he wanted the support of rabid fanatics and he got it, now he can't compromise when that is the most prudent thing to do. Does that sound like some other party?
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Re: Warren drops out
Yeah, the ad is misleading, I am not naive to think Bernie is immune to the Political game. It's not like I agree with everything he does %100 of the time.
1. True and fair.
2. What base does not have rabid fanatics as supporters? I see this pushed around about Bernie supporters, but it's not like it's exclusive to his base.
Yeah, the ad is misleading, I am not naive to think Bernie is immune to the Political game. It's not like I agree with everything he does %100 of the time.
1. True and fair.
2. What base does not have rabid fanatics as supporters? I see this pushed around about Bernie supporters, but it's not like it's exclusive to his base.
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Re: Warren drops out
Which pissed off a lot of people for the reasons I said about her endorsing Biden.
Which pissed off a lot of people for the reasons I said about her endorsing Biden.
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I hope that Mike Bloomberg sticks to what I've heard attributed to him - that he will endorse and help whatever Democrat is nominated.
If Bloomberg decides to run as an independent candidate, THIS ENTIRE PLANET IS FUCKED FOR GOOD, and the United States will not still exist in 2030.
The only thing that could be a saving grace if Bloomberg runs as an independent, is if he runs as a Libertarian, or any other mindset that is more "Republican" than not...
If Bloomberg decides to run as an independent candidate, THIS ENTIRE PLANET IS FUCKED FOR GOOD, and the United States will not still exist in 2030.
The only thing that could be a saving grace if Bloomberg runs as an independent, is if he runs as a Libertarian, or any other mindset that is more "Republican" than not...
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Re: Warren drops out
No, this is way too glib. Bernie's entire message is designed to appeal to a certain type of voter - and no, it's not a tactic exclusive to Bernie, but it also isn't something "they all do."
Bernie goes for the slogan, "HEALTCHARE FOR ALL!" "TAKE BACK THE GOVERNMENT!" "FREE TUITION!" - and everybody gets riled up and cheers, but what he doesn't do, is then have the long, boring, conversation about any kind of realistic plan to get any of it. Because you can't sustain the intensity level when you have to sit your supporters down, and explain why they aren't going to get everything their own way - which Bernie knows damn well is the reality. It's ultimately the difference between him and Warren. Warren "had a plan" to do the things Bernie's slogans proclaim, for the most part, but she didn't get Bernie's voters because the kind of voter he's built as his base doesn't want to hear that.
It also tells in what his base talks about, when he loses, it's not a discussion about how to broaden his appeal to be more inclusive, it's a conspiracy involving EVERYONE else, EVERYONE else STOLE it from him.
Then he falls back on the "establishment" when he has no choice, hence his courting of the very Superdelegates he rallied against, and his suggestion that he's Obama's best friend, he works with them perfectly amicably when there's no election, which is where he's going now, and it may get him some votes. What he can't do is take the specific base he built on the precept of no compromise, and turn that into a majority - because it isn't, and I've been telling other Progressives that since the beginning.
This strategy is not new, Bernie didn't invent it, and it can be really effective, the problem is that the number of people who respond to Bernie's version of it is not big enough to carry him all the way. That and he's relying heavily on huge turnouts of the most fickle and apathetic voting demographic there is.
No, this is way too glib. Bernie's entire message is designed to appeal to a certain type of voter - and no, it's not a tactic exclusive to Bernie, but it also isn't something "they all do."
Bernie goes for the slogan, "HEALTCHARE FOR ALL!" "TAKE BACK THE GOVERNMENT!" "FREE TUITION!" - and everybody gets riled up and cheers, but what he doesn't do, is then have the long, boring, conversation about any kind of realistic plan to get any of it. Because you can't sustain the intensity level when you have to sit your supporters down, and explain why they aren't going to get everything their own way - which Bernie knows damn well is the reality. It's ultimately the difference between him and Warren. Warren "had a plan" to do the things Bernie's slogans proclaim, for the most part, but she didn't get Bernie's voters because the kind of voter he's built as his base doesn't want to hear that.
It also tells in what his base talks about, when he loses, it's not a discussion about how to broaden his appeal to be more inclusive, it's a conspiracy involving EVERYONE else, EVERYONE else STOLE it from him.
Then he falls back on the "establishment" when he has no choice, hence his courting of the very Superdelegates he rallied against, and his suggestion that he's Obama's best friend, he works with them perfectly amicably when there's no election, which is where he's going now, and it may get him some votes. What he can't do is take the specific base he built on the precept of no compromise, and turn that into a majority - because it isn't, and I've been telling other Progressives that since the beginning.
This strategy is not new, Bernie didn't invent it, and it can be really effective, the problem is that the number of people who respond to Bernie's version of it is not big enough to carry him all the way. That and he's relying heavily on huge turnouts of the most fickle and apathetic voting demographic there is.
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LOL, yeah, but I was trying not to apply it to Bernie, since it's usually used as a pejorative, and it's usually ideas I don't agree with, and the most egregious offender these days is orange and pouty.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/demagogue
LOL, yeah, but I was trying not to apply it to Bernie, since it's usually used as a pejorative, and it's usually ideas I don't agree with, and the most egregious offender these days is orange and pouty.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/demagogue
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It's not glib, it's just the fact that this is the same things that were said 4 years ago and it hasn't changed, so it's just gets old repeating the same argument over and over again. The majority of stuff he gets criticized for are arguments that can be made against other politicians that are running against him. So, it's pretty much a moot point.
His slogans are obviously different than other Politicians, because his positions generally are but people getting riled up at rallies is pretty much the point of the rallies. And I assume you mean his rallies, cause I would imagine these are the only places would do cheering and getting riled up. There isn't meant to be a real sit down about his plans there. It's to raise morale and support. If people wanted to see his plans, they are available on his website to see. And if you don't think those plans are realistic, that's fine, but that's opinion not fact. Though a fair criticism is that maybe he doesn't explain these well enough when it comes to the debates, but to be fair I don't think any of them have.
And what I have been seeing from Elizabeth Warrens supporter base is that her loss has to do with sexism. Which obviously some people would not vote for her based on that fact, but considering Hillary Clinton won the popular vote 4 years ago, that isn't the biggest reason as to why people weren't supporting Warren. We could also go back to '08 where "People United Means Action" claimed the same thing about Hillary Clinton. And the same time there were supporters of hers that voted for McCain, which is a common criticism of Bernie supporters that voted for Trump. So the establishment conspiracies, identity politics claims have been said and done by other supporter bases. It isn't exclusive to him or his base.
I didn't think he did invent or it was anything new. Though I agree that he needs to broaden his appeal some how and that his current base can't carry him all the way.
His slogans are obviously different than other Politicians, because his positions generally are but people getting riled up at rallies is pretty much the point of the rallies. And I assume you mean his rallies, cause I would imagine these are the only places would do cheering and getting riled up. There isn't meant to be a real sit down about his plans there. It's to raise morale and support. If people wanted to see his plans, they are available on his website to see. And if you don't think those plans are realistic, that's fine, but that's opinion not fact. Though a fair criticism is that maybe he doesn't explain these well enough when it comes to the debates, but to be fair I don't think any of them have.
And what I have been seeing from Elizabeth Warrens supporter base is that her loss has to do with sexism. Which obviously some people would not vote for her based on that fact, but considering Hillary Clinton won the popular vote 4 years ago, that isn't the biggest reason as to why people weren't supporting Warren. We could also go back to '08 where "People United Means Action" claimed the same thing about Hillary Clinton. And the same time there were supporters of hers that voted for McCain, which is a common criticism of Bernie supporters that voted for Trump. So the establishment conspiracies, identity politics claims have been said and done by other supporter bases. It isn't exclusive to him or his base.
I didn't think he did invent or it was anything new. Though I agree that he needs to broaden his appeal some how and that his current base can't carry him all the way.
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SUAGR, he's getting the same criticism BECAUSE he's running the same damn campaign. BECAUSE it hasn't changed. If he wants new criticism, let him do something different.
I saw his interview on the TV with Rachel, and at one point he said that Biden can't win doing the same old things, and I wanted to yell at Bernie, YOU LOST, you won't win doing the same damn things.
If the people who want what Bernie wants are ever going to get any of it, we're going to have to be honest with ourselves about why Bernie keeps losing.
He needed to start this Primary race reaching out to the Lean Lefters, Moderates and Centrists, not start after he loses big time to a Centrist. THERE is where the problem arises, because he can't do that without alienating the base he built, because they don't want to accept any compromises.
It's not over for Bernie yet, but if he can't pull in a bunch of people his base supporters despise, it will be. Again.
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Her anti-corruption pitch was pretty damn good. Not that anyone seemed to notice.
Sorry to see Elizabeth Warren out of the race, but there was no way she was going to win the nominatiion.
American Democrats will be gun-shy about running another woman candidate after seeing what the GOP and Russia did with Hillary.
Definitely the smartest candidate with the best worked out plans.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...hjYNKWQfXKoakaO4Dshsg0dVTI_s3DVNp9MfIKPM92kS8
You didn't mention the history of dishonesty about her ... which is a turn off for so many
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Finally, Gabbard is out of the race. Although she was really never in the race, was she?
https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...sC149eWgeLp4bcvEuJUuYz-KKu4_ntJbWi0Okp79wh_DQ
https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...sC149eWgeLp4bcvEuJUuYz-KKu4_ntJbWi0Okp79wh_DQ
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Finally, Gabbard is out of the race. Although she was really never in the race, was she?
https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...sC149eWgeLp4bcvEuJUuYz-KKu4_ntJbWi0Okp79wh_DQ
3979 available delegates, 2234 committed, Gabbard had 2. 1745 still up for grabs, 1991 needed to win the nomination. There is literally no way for Gabbard to win this, even if she got every last single remaining delegate.
Bernie needs to get 1106 to win outright, Biden needs 810.