Sebelius - Another Democrat Who Does Not Pay Their Taxes

[Jack Springer]

Originally, I had planned to add a topic regarding Gov. Sebelius' support of late term abortions, which has made the lowly state of Kansas the late term abortion capital of the USA (maybe the world).

However, after learning that she made some "mistakes" regarding her 2005-2007 tax returns, I decided I needed to vent regarding the tax fraud.

Either she is stupid (credit card deductions haven't been allowed for many years) or a crook trying to evade paying tax.

Please write or call your Senator -- we do not need another person like this in Washington.

PS: I haven't even addressed her son's business that he runs out of the Kansas Govenor's Mansion. Do a google search on the board game -- "Don't Drop the Soap."

 

[construct]

after learning that she made some "mistakes" regarding her 2005-2007 tax returns,

Where did you learn this?

 

[Jack Springer]

I also read about it in Politico. Here the the link from the Kansas City Star (which is in Missouri, not Kansas.)

[STRIKE]You'll need to remove some spaces, JUB won't let me post the link because I don't have 25 posts.[/STRIKE]

http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation/story/1117889.html

 

[TheTalkingAsshole]

I'm pretty understanding about tax problems. While I think Geithner's problems were a bit beyond "normal" mistakes, Gov. Sebelius' problems seem pretty understandable. The mortgage issue...deducting interest from a sold property when she's still paying the note...is probably something that those who don't buy and sell a lot of properties wouldn't know. I do question her tax preparer though. And the 3 missing charity letters are understandable too. I mean, my accountant wouldn't even include those deductions if I didn't provide proof, but maybe hers did. I doubt that they just made these up.

I do wonder how these public officials allow this to happen. I would think that someone who is in high office, and might want to take on even higher office would be very careful about things such as taxes. They should have a CPA scrutinize their taxes and make sure everything is on the level. It's just sloppy not to do it, and makes themselves, the administration, and in some way everyone in public office look bad.

 

[naked gent]

^^ TA I agree with you and with the exception of Daschle I think the accountants in the other cases have some explaining to do. (even in Geithner's case I read there was some confusion about who was responsible for paying the taxes but I never read that he didn't report the income so if he did how did his accountant miss that?)

Sebelius effectively hired an accountant to audit her and he found some mistakes and I'd bet the mortgage that were we to audit all members of congress we'd be finding lots of mistakes.

I do my own taxes and always have but at various times in the past I've had accountants tell me they could save me money if I allowed them to do my taxes and now I think I know how they manage that trick........and its not something they learned in accounting class.

 

[HenryReardon]

Got this in an email from a former co-worker just this morning:

Snopes does not list this as "false," but you still may want to check this out with the IRS and/or your senators and representatives.

Income taxes are normally due on April 15th unless that date falls on a Saturday or Sunday, in which case they are due on Monday the 16th or 17th.

However, I have been told that rule has recently been changed for this and for at least the next 4 years, tax payments will not be due until you are nominated for a cabinet position.

Please check with your tax adviser to confirm.

 

[Kulindahr]

I know a tax accountant who used to work for the IRS. He says even the IRS people who are supposed to be the experts on their narrow little pieces of tax code make mistakes, because the code is just too complex. Thanks to the complexities, programs such as TurboTax which is supposed to make it easy for you are getting to where you need a specialist to help you understand what the program is asking for.

I may have made a mistake on mine; I don't know: I'm in a disaster area, so says FEMA, which has been handing out disaster checks. But the area isn't on the official list provided by the IRS -- so can I, or can I not, take the disaster option provided? The best answer I could get was that since my area isn't on the IRS list, I'd have to have a letter to me from FEMA specifying that I live in a disaster area.....
and of course they ignore the mistakes that result in more government income; they aren't obligated at all to tell you that you paid more than you should have.

 

[HenryReardon]

Money Magazine used to, and may still, conduct tests every year.

They would call a dozen or more IRS offices with specific tax questions.

They rarely got the same answer from every office, and the range of answers in monetary terms was staggering.

 

[Kulindahr]

It is a shame that the IRS doesn't return money due to the taxpayer too. At least provide a tax credit for the next year. Regardless, the tax code needs to be stripped down and simplified. I don't care if it puts all the tax software developers and brick-and-mortar stores out of business, it isn't helpful when you have to pay money to pay your taxes or get your money back because too much was taken.

And FYI: the email from Henry's post above yours was funny.

I've always liked the scene in Clancy's novel where Jack Ryan makes it to the White House; they're going to have a hearing about the tax code, and Ryan has the staff pile the volumes of the code on a folding table... which collapses under the weight. IIRC, he then makes a reference to the Old Testament, and says that if God could get all his rules for mankind into less than five hundred pages, we ought to be able to get the tax code that short.

Regardless of what you think about the Old Testament, I think that's a bloody good comparison!

Heck, last I knew even the Vatican's canon law was shorter than the U.S. tax code....

 

[naked gent]

^^ The difference being that God was working alone.

 

[Kulindahr]

^^ The difference being that God was working alone.

I just looked up canon law: it has 1572 canons (rules), and comes in a form that fits on a desk top volume.

If the Vatican can distill a millennium and a half of law into that, why can't we distill our tax code into an equally brief form?


I know... we have Congress, which Benjamin Franklin remarked as being a worse curse than a pestilence or flood.
And in his day, they were just warming up!

 

[naked gent]

I just looked up canon law: it has 1572 canons (rules), and comes in a form that fits on a desk top volume.

If the Vatican can distill a millennium and a half of law into that, why can't we distill our tax code into an equally brief form?

Because the one deals with morals and the other deals with money.

And because if you run afoul of the first your punishment is in the next life whereas if you run afoul of the second your punishment is in this one.

If our tax bills could be pushed off like our moral failings I have no doubt that reducing the tax code to a single page could be accomplished in a single day.

 

[Kulindahr]

Because the one deals with morals and the other deals with money.

And because if you run afoul of the first your punishment is in the next life whereas if you run afoul of the second your punishment is in this one.

If our tax bills could be pushed off like our moral failings I have no doubt that reducing the tax code to a single page could be accomplished in a single day.

There's a lot in canon law that deals with consequences in this life.

 

[naked gent]

There's a lot in canon law that deals with consequences in this life.

You're kidding right.

 

[grantt]

Mr. Obama should nominate 10 people a day to some position and when we find out they owe back taxes and they pay them, the economy will fix itself. So far this is the best thing he has done....nominate tax evaders.

 

[Kulindahr]

You're kidding right.

Not at all. Of course, they all presume you're sticking with the church, and have to do with the sort of things the church can impose on its members, and especially on the clergy -- for example, an archbishop could easily require my solution to the "pedophile priest" situation: order the offending clergy into monasteries for the rest of their lives.

Probably the best known are rules about who you may and may not marry, about getting an annulment and divorce, and that sort of thing. And the ultimate penalty the church can impose is fairly well known: excommunication.

 

[naked gent]

Not at all. Of course, they all presume you're sticking with the church, and have to do with the sort of things the church can impose on its members, and especially on the clergy -- for example, an archbishop could easily require my solution to the "pedophile priest" situation: order the offending clergy into monasteries for the rest of their lives.

Probably the best known are rules about who you may and may not marry, about getting an annulment and divorce, and that sort of thing. And the ultimate penalty the church can impose is fairly well known: excommunication.

Kul first off unlike the church the IRS doesn't care if you're "sticking with" them or not you obey their rules voluntarily or they will force you to obey them and further if the IRS had a system in place, like the church, where you could confess your transgressions and be assured of forgiveness I think a lot more people would be cheating a lot more often.

 

[Kulindahr]

Kul first off unlike the church the IRS doesn't care if you're "sticking with" them or not you obey their rules voluntarily or they will force you to obey them and further if the IRS had a system in place, like the church, where you could confess your transgressions and be assured of forgiveness I think a lot more people would be cheating a lot more often.

Well, if someone came along with $777,000,000,000,000,000 in gold and quietly said, if anyone who fails to pay their taxes and confesses, and it's a good confession, forgive them and pay it out of this, maybe the IRS would.