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Second Chances Or Throw Away The Key ? He's Coming Home, He's Done His Time.

I don't understand why we have to shelter clothe and feed fucking scum like this murder someone your ass is getting the chair period end of story rapists, pedophiles, and drug kingpins too!
 
ShadowCat said:
I don't understand why we have to shelter clothe and feed fucking scum like this murder someone your ass is getting the chair period end of story rapists, pedophiles, and drug kingpins too!
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Spoken like someone who doesn't know how expensive death row is. Or how many x innocent men have been fried. (Mostly black though).

So yeah let's get all the bad, inhumane ideas out of the way now so then we can focus on a feasible long-term solution that doesn't involve so much murder.
 
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fabulouslyghetto said:
Spoken like someone who doesn't know how expensive death row is. Or how many x innocent men have been fried. (Mostly black though).

So yeah let's get all the bad, inhumane ideas out of the way now so then we can focus on a feasible long-term solution that doesn't involve so much murder.
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Expensive? If you're a convicted ___(insert crime here)_____and definitely not innocent I don't see why they just cant shoot them in the head! This bleeding heart shit where we have to lethal injections (which how is suffocating someone and stopping their heart more humane than a quick bullet through the brain?) is just garbage. Last meal bread and water thats it sunrise BANG dead! Room open for the next piece of shit!
 
unloadonme said:
It would defeat the whole purpose of the sentencing system if every murderer was kept in prison until they died when the law provides a range of options. In the UK, the most serious offenders are given a "whole life tariff" and others are set a minimum term. In the case of Colin Pitchfork, the minimum term was set at 28 years on appeal and that period has expired. I don't have a view about his potential release, other than to say that it should be decided by professionals rather than by the tabloid press or members of the victims' families.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prisoners_with_whole-life_orders

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Ah, the voice of reason. Underrated comment. I applaud you though.
 
ShadowCat said:
I don't understand why we have to shelter clothe and feed fucking scum like this murder someone your ass is getting the chair period end of story rapists, pedophiles, and drug kingpins too!
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When a person murders another human for the first time it might be that they had waited, building the warped "courage" to satisfy their evil desire. The next time probably is easier for them.
Ironically, the same holds true for a society, the more you put to death the less you care, life becomes cheaper. The death penalty is permanent, if you bury a convict and then evidence is found that would exonerate that person, what can be done?
The state I live in (Michigan) doesn't have a death sentence, I could never sit on a jury where it would be required of me to pass such a sentence. Add to that the fact that only the wealthy can get good legal representation as their defense can hire experts to disprove evidence show by the prosecution such as blood splatter, ballistics, autopsies and forensics and you will find that most people that face charges with a court appointed defense stand little chance of an acquittal.
 
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I have been following this case with interest, my first reaction to child killers, especially sexually motivated child killers is that they are never safe to be released, however on consideration i tend to agree with ULOM.
 
fabulouslyghetto said:
Throw away the key. People can't change and theres really no incentive to. People who think the purpose of our inhumane for-profit prison system is rehabilitation are expressing a profoundly deep lack of understanding of numerous intersectional problems. As an inescapable truth, prisons as they are destroy the human mind and once a person gets sucked into that vaccuum (mostly only black people though ..| ) theres little to no hope of a decent human being walking out. Their criminality becomes a self-perpetuating cycle.

Great topic Cormac! Thanks for sharing. :gogirl:
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The prison population is not "mostly only black people", although you'd never suspect that given the way in which it is often described. Blacks and whites are represented in the prison population is roughly equal numbers:

Black percentage of the prison population: 33%
White percentage of the prison population: 30%
Hispanic percentage of the prison population: 23%

From the Pew Foundation: "The racial and ethnic makeup of U.S. prisons continues to look substantially different from the demographics of the country as a whole. In 2017, blacks represented 12% of the U.S. adult population but 33% of the sentenced prison population. Whites accounted for 64% of adults but 30% of prisoners. And while Hispanics represented 16% of the adult population, they accounted for 23% of inmates."
 
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Latimer said:
Blacks and whites are represented in the prison population is roughly equal numbers:

Black percentage of the prison population: 33%
White percentage of the prison population: 30%
Hispanic percentage of the prison population: 23%

From the Pew Foundation: "The racial and ethnic makeup of U.S. prisons continues to look substantially different from the demographics of the country as a whole. In 2017, blacks represented 12% of the U.S. adult population but 33% of the sentenced prison population. Whites accounted for 64% of adults but 30% of prisoners. And while Hispanics represented 16% of the adult population, they accounted for 23% of inmates."
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The part I emboldened directly contradicts your first statement. I'm not a mathematician, but your math isn't mathing. But let's not hijack this topic to criminalize blackness, there's a million other places you can do that freely.
 
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Your're the one who interjected race into the discussion by stating that the prison population is "mostly only black". Your response shows that you intended something other than what one would understand from a plain reading of the words.
 
Cormac135 said:
So a man who killed two 15 year old schoolgirls 30 years ago is about to get out of prison, the parole board is letting him out, i guess he's learned his lesson and deserves a second chance, no i don't really, i'd lock him up til death came for him.

Do you believe serious criminals can be rehabilitated or is the murderous impulse always there ?
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Happy belated birthday, you.

Your post frames the question in terms that are prejudged, even if they are not your judgments.

First, "schoolgirls" almosts sounds tabloid. There are 15-year-old slags and there are "innocents" who are naive in most of the ways of the world. It always seems unfair for young lives' to be more sacred to societies (where they are), with the direct implication that it would somehow be MORE acceptable or LESS egregious to murder a pair of 30-year-olds or 60-year-olds, or 90-year-olds. Are the rights of citizenship, human rights, something that we burn down and have less of over time, like so many credits expiring?

This bias is ubiquitous in the media when reporting all sorts of tragedies or crimes. A victim was a husband and father of two small children. Fuck those single bastards and gay people, 'cuz who can relate to that, amirite?

The second statement that is prejudicial refers to the murderer "learning his lesson," with the direct implication that the prison term is solely for the purpose of a) protecting society, and b) rehabilitating the murderer. That is not justice, but some notion of social engineering. The imprisonment of a murderer is to mete out punishment for the crime of murder, the unlawful taking of a human life by an intentional act. The court's sentence in the justice a society exacts in defense of the rights of the members of that society. It is not dissimilar to the punishments for theft. Societies do not imprison thieves to "teach them" that stealing is wrong, but to publicly demonstrate that theft is not acceptable and is punishable, even if restitution is not possible, or if it is. The punishment is sentenced in response to the severity of the crime, considering many factors.

Murder is a most severe crime in a society. It irrevocably removes the right to life of the society's member(s). There are MANY ramifications of this abridgement of the human right to life. For that transgression, in this case a double act, committed by a sane, competent adult, then the punishment should make the strongest statement.

In this case, the society has made that statement in condemning the parole and forcing reversal. If the 30-year sentence had been all there was, what cold justice was that for two lives, each only lasting 15 years? They were likely deprived of four times that many years in their futures, on average, yet the killer would have only been forced to "pay" very little for each of those years he stole.

And for the argument that the victims' families should not have say in parole hearings, how is that? (And I know you did not make such an assertion.) Is the State their sole advocate in the prosecution of their murders? If that were so, families would have no voice in sentencing hearings, or in the very trials that convict the killers. The dead cannot appeal their cases, so the families are indeed their proxies.

Do I beleive killers can be rehabilitated? I do, but I find that quite irrelevant to their punishments. Many individuals murder a parent, a spouse, a child, or a romantic rival, and would never murder again. They may even be horrified by the reality of what they did just after they murder, with zero chance at becoming a repeat killer. They may even kill a reprehensible individual with little redeeming value to society. But it doesn't matter. It is not their right to do so, and the value society places on the right to live is so high that their punishment must be the most severe possible.

The crimes this man committed should have been met with his execution. Short of that, he should live out his days in misery, confined, as punishment.
 
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