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Security dwindled before deadly Libyan consulate attack

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The real facts are beginning to surface, apparently much to the chagrin of the Obama administration ....... regarding the details of the security or lack thereof provided to our people in Libya which lead to 4 American deaths, including Ambassador Stevens.

Army green beret, Lt. Colonel Andrew Wood who will tell his story to Congress on Wednesday, sat for CBS This Morning and in summary he said:

- from the moment he arrived in February, he saw "chaos"
- local security guard forces were unreliable - there were battles between militias, there was criminal activity
- he met daily with Ambassador Stevens and he was very concerned about security for himself and his staff
Most damning was his statements that there was a "visible security drawdown while he was in Libya" - due to "Pressure from the higher headquarters at the State Department."He continued with "There was pressure to reduce the number of security people there."

He said that "Over the six months leading up to the attack on Stevens, the security situation in Libya deteriorated".

He added that "Stevens and his staff made the case for tightened security in emails and diplomatic cables" - instead of more or tighter security, "one by one they lost three State Department security teams, their only airplane and, eventually, Woods' squad too.

Not a good story as if true, there was an ongoing clear signal for more security and the opposite was done and lead to the needless deaths of americans​
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_1...indled-before-deadly-libyan-consulate-attack/
 
lots of focus on Romney, who is NOT President

he's this/that and the other thing - none good or even OK

and we have here a building situation of potential foreign policy/security incompetence - one that appears to have been attempted to be quelled due to re-election values

yet no one cares?

this isn't going away

and people are dead - americans

priorities r fucked
 
Security Team Commander Says Ambassador Stevens Wanted His Team to Stay in Libya Past August

The facts keep coming out on the murder of our Libyan Ambassador and three others in Libya.

Stevens and his staff did not have enough security and had the security they had removed even after repeated requests.

The huge question is WHY?

Clinton and Obama will have to answer this sometime and stop hiding behind the dumb video story .. even if it's a bureaucratic error that caused removal of the security detail and the death of 4 men.

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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...nted-his-team-to-stay-in-libya-past-august-2/
 
Re: Security Team Commander Says Ambassador Stevens Wanted His Team to Stay in Libya Past August

No, can't be! We've had authoritative sources on this very board claim the Ambassador was fully in control of his own security. He ran the show in Libya, we were told. He was, in fact, responsible for his own death. But now we're finding out that this was a lie perpetrated on us by those carrying the water for an incompetent president.

The FBI stayed out of Benghazi ostensibly because it was "dangerous" for weeks. Yet, unarmed CNN news crews managed to get into the US compound, retrieve relevant materials including the ambassador's journal and get out unscathed.

We've been lied to from jump street by Obama and company. Now, it's time for him to answer for his actions. The cover up is always worse than the crime.
 
Re: Security Team Commander Says Ambassador Stevens Wanted His Team to Stay in Libya Past August

August is a good month

Once again, The two jacks are trying to make political hay out of the blood of american fallen heroes. predictable and misleading as always. ODS at it's finest.

Ahem

Fuck that report and the scumbag that wrote it, as they are all part of the same cabal that faked the poll numbers, right? Oh yes...

The lamestream media isn't lame if they are proving YOUR point. This cafeteria reality has become commonplace in the GOP land.

Directly to the OP? this thread is just one more I hate Obama thread. You may have noticed all the rest of the press stating that After Romney's foreign policy speech, half was riddled with lies and the other half was cut and pasted out of the Obama foreign poicy issue.

So grow a pair and tell me what could have been done differently if any of you two were, heaven help us, made commander in Chief. What would the GOP have done differently that would not have included a new war? What would Romney or others have done differently.

Obama is being taken to task for failing to heed reports when bush was warned more succinctly by a report that "Bin Laden was determined to attack", and is inaction on that intel cost the nation 3000 deaths. You guys will either ignore that as comparative logic as to which party has a plan.

Obama killed Osama. You cannot take the american people's belief in him away with this red meat bullshit.
 
Re: Security Team Commander Says Ambassador Stevens Wanted His Team to Stay in Libya Past August

Four men were murdered and should not have been. Steven's requests for security were denied. Any grade school person knows what happened on 9/11 and would know that the US has to be on the alert that day.

Obama and his crew made it political and a coverup when they started blaming the attack on the dumb video that very few had seen or heard of anywhere in the world.

If the media were not awestruck with Obama, they would have gone after Secretary Rice and demanded her resignation by now.
 
Re: Security Team Commander Says Ambassador Stevens Wanted His Team to Stay in Libya Past August

BostonPirate said:
August is a good month

Once again, The two jacks are trying to make political hay out of the blood of american fallen heroes. predictable and misleading as always. ODS at it's finest.

Ahem

Fuck that report and the scumbag that wrote it, as they are all part of the same cabal that faked the poll numbers, right? Oh yes...

The lamestream media isn't lame if they are proving YOUR point. This cafeteria reality has become commonplace in the GOP land.

Directly to the OP? this thread is just one more I hate Obama thread. You may have noticed all the rest of the press stating that After Romney's foreign policy speech, half was riddled with lies and the other half was cut and pasted out of the Obama foreign poicy issue.

So grow a pair and tell me what could have been done differently if any of you two were, heaven help us, made commander in Chief. What would the GOP have done differently that would not have included a new war? What would Romney or others have done differently.

Obama is being taken to task for failing to heed reports when bush was warned more succinctly by a report that "Bin Laden was determined to attack", and is inaction on that intel cost the nation 3000 deaths. You guys will either ignore that as comparative logic as to which party has a plan.

Obama killed Osama. You cannot take the american people's belief in him away with this red meat bullshit.
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ODS? How original! A ripoff of BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome). Was the assertion by the administration that the attacks on our facility were carried out by a spontaneous protest honest and accurate? Or were they bullshit? Did they honestly admit that there were terrorist groups involved or spoon feed us bullshit about some clapped up video? Did they trot out the UN Ambassador to honestly apprise the press and Congress about the terrorist attack, or did she serve up the now discredited bullshit?

Was the Ambassador to Libya in fear of terrorists, as his journal indicates? Did he and his staff request additional security? Why were they told to make do with less?

Well, we now have four less Americans in Libya because of failures of an incompetent and more likely dishonest administration. Drag out Bin Laden as many times as you like. But what people want to know is this. What have you done for me lately?
 
Re: Security Team Commander Says Ambassador Stevens Wanted His Team to Stay in Libya Past August

You are myopic in your view.

Reaan lost more than this and so did Bush. You are trumping up nonsense, and all polls still clearly indicate that the electorate still trusts the president more than Romney to handle terrorism and the military.

That means that however you spin this, the general electorate thinks Romney would be worse.

Making political hay out of this is repulsive to me, and you know why, Jackaroe. We all knew there would be revenge attacks for killing Osama Bin Laden, a task the GOP decided wasn't worth the time.

Ambassadors work without guns, and the host nation is responsible for any ambassador's security abroad. Tell me how Obama can override international law, OR how a GOP president could.

How about we stop with the hystrionics in the last month here, and do all of ourselves a favor and have real conversation.

Tell me what could have been done differently by any president, and how this president has NOT done better than his predecessors when dealing with Terrorism.

Shit or get off the pot.
 
What we have in this administration is President more Wizard of Oz than anything else....not only can give a heart,brain or courage but start repairing the planet and healing the oceans. What a fucker we have in the White House....amateur hack beyond belief. When all this Libya mess becomes clear,all the Obama fanbois everywhere will have egg on their smug faces, hopefully full yolk.
 
CBS has pretty much ignored this story until recently.

Tomorrow should be very interesting CSPAN -- better set your DVR's.
 
Sausy said:
What we have in this administration is President more Wizard of Oz than anything else....not only can give a heart,brain or courage but start repairing the planet and healing the oceans. What a fucker we have in the White House....amateur hack beyond belief. When all this Libya mess becomes clear,all the Obama fanbois everywhere will have egg on their smug faces, hopefully full yolk.
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Oh don't hold back.

Go on.

Tell us how you really feel.

Please.
 
I am of the opinion that to call your president (and yes, he is your president and he is working for you, whether you voted him in the White House or not) a "fucker" and an "amateur hack beyond belief" is a major failure at keeping it classy. There are very few jobs IN THE WORLD as demanding, taxing, stressful and difficult as that of the President of the United States. If any. There is a measure of respect due ANY person sitting in the Oval Office, and before someone goes all false equivalency on me, I have never used this kind of language about Bush, nor would I. I don't even go this far about Romney, and he's only a candidate.

You can't do a better job than Barack Obama. You can't even do half as good a job as him. You can't do a hundred times worse job than him either. You cannot even begin to imagine the complexity of his job and the strength of character and the scope of knowledge needed to do the job. There is a reason why Bush left most of it to Cheney, and there is a reason why he left the country in the state that he did, but even so he must have had some qualities to get anywhere close to the job.

Show some respect, even if it's only for propriety's sake. Let's not turn this forum into any more of a US Weekly than it already is :(
 
rareboy said:
Oh don't hold back.

Go on.

Tell us how you really feel.

Please.
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{Text removed by moderator} You don't like my views? I don't care for the intellectual dishonesty and abdication of honor of those who will defend Obama and his incompotent administration ....{text removed by moderator}....well,the second half of that term will suffice just fine.
 
Rolyo85 said:
I am of the opinion that to call your president (and yes, he is your president and he is working for you, whether you voted him in the White House or not) a "fucker" and an "amateur hack beyond belief" is a major failure at keeping it classy. There are very few jobs IN THE WORLD as demanding, taxing, stressful and difficult as that of the President of the United States. If any. There is a measure of respect due ANY person sitting in the Oval Office, and before someone goes all false equivalency on me, I have never used this kind of language about Bush, nor would I. I don't even go this far about Romney, and he's only a candidate.

You can't do a better job than Barack Obama. You can't even do half as good a job as him. You can't do a hundred times worse job than him either. You cannot even begin to imagine the complexity of his job and the strength of character and the scope of knowledge needed to do the job. There is a reason why Bush left most of it to Cheney, and there is a reason why he left the country in the state that he did, but even so he must have had some qualities to get anywhere close to the job.

Show some respect, even if it's only for propriety's sake. Let's not turn this forum into any more of a US Weekly than it already is :(
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I would love to. I voted for Obama....I was tired of the crap of much of what the Bush Administration was doing. Would you give the same measure of respect to a Nixon, a Reagan, either Bush or Romney if he is elected? I sure don't think most of those on the left here would give equal respect to a president of opposing viewpoints....especially very core ideological differences. Now that also goes for those on the right ....but this board is primarily a gay community board with a largely liberal membership,certainly on the political commentary side. I do realize how much weight is on the President of the United States....imagine being Harry Truman making the decision to drop the horror of the hydrogen bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki as the best course to end the War in the Pacific with Japan. Lincoln trying to preserve the Union... Roosevelt preventing revolution in the wake of the desperation of the Great Depression. So many things..... but it's clear to me and a lot of people, not necessarily conservative fire breathers that Obama is fool's gold.

The first time I really started to lose it with him was his snarky remark after the disappointing results of the stimulus in creating the shovel ready jobs he insisted would result that things weren't so shovel ready after all. For all of liberals selective memory of FDR he did put people to work after the Depression by bypassing the unions. Obama when he was successful in saving or creating jobs basically lavished favor on unions to the detriment of other unemployed. I have to amend my remarks somewhat to rareboy....I don't want to not give a damn on what people on the left think of what I have to say( and I KNOW full well I'm not as gifted or wise as others by a long shot) but it's like hitting your head against a brick wall. I do criticize Republicans and conservatives when they go overboard, and I agree it's not hard at all to find examples of crazy right wing idiocy spouted by people scarily in leadership positions. I criticized jackaroe and Jack Springer when they clearly wrongly stated Obama called China our greatest ally when Obama was refering to Romney not being able to deal with the Chinese if he couldn't help himself by insulting the readiness of our closest ally (clearly meaning the UK) to host the Olympics.

I'm just tired of having to make the effort of being pragmatic and cautious.... of trying not to live in a world of black and white exclusively when all too often on the left here there is no introspection, no reasessment of their own biases and perspectives time after time. Well,Libya is a disaster..... Syria is close to it....Afghanistan and Iraq are sliding into chaos...we have NO leverage in the Middle East and got on board the Arab Spring far too late....our Iran policy has little to show for it....Russia and China don't respect us....we foolishly gave the Russians too much on missile defense,fucked our Eastern European allies in the process....and gained NOTHING from our premature generosity as Russia protects Syria and wants to work with Iran to limit our spherre of influence in the Middle East. Ambassador Stevens and three others died horrible deaths for what??? Look, I don't support much of what Bush did, have grave concerns about much of the GOP agenda. Yet I won't ignore that our president is failing badly abroad, never mind not much better at home and if the left is just going to play games and reflexive oppose even thinking about Obama in a more realistic vain there's no reason for me to just roll over.
 
I would not respect Romney as much as Obama, because he would not be a good president and I consider Obama to be one, given the situation he inherited. Whether he could have been better is up for debate. I think yes.

But this isn't about how much I would respect Romney or any other Republican president, it's the language I'd use to talk about him and quite frankly - to think about him as well. I believe ANYONE in a position of this magnitude deserves respect, even if it's grudging, teeth-gnashing respect. Just the way I was brought up. Once you start throwing shit at someone who bears that much responsibility, you're dragging them down to your level, and that's too presumptuous in my book.
 
Here's the latest on the coverup by the White House. They've belatedly decided to come clean. There were no protests, as we were repeatedly told. There was no mob pissed off about some video, as we were told. This was a straight up terrorist attack. Obama lied and caused others in his administration to also lie to the American public. Obama isn't simply incompetent, he's a liar and now he's caught.

 
I just wonder...

could the thin security have anything to do with the fact that Republicans cut funding for embassy security? BBC reports:

...Republicans are the ones that pushed for cuts in the security that they now deem insufficient.

A memo prepared by the [oversight] committee's Democratic staff noted that House Republicans voted to reduce funding for embassy security by $459m (£286m) lower that the Obama administration requested.
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