Senate GOP pledges to block all bills

[jackoroe]

news flash!!!!

ready?????????

a tax cut is an expense

GASP!!!

in fact, one third of the 879 bill stimulus package was NOT cash alotment, but tax cuts.

good lord

Once again, there is no tax cut under consideration at this time. They are considering legislation that would keep taxes where they are. The failure to do so, will result in a tax increase. A tax increase is an expense, unless you happen to be the government.

 

[BostonPirate]

Once again, there is no tax cut under consideration at this time. They are considering legislation that would keep taxes where they are. The failure to do so, will result in a tax increase. A tax increase is an expense, unless you happen to be the government.

oh

ok

well the republicans just voted to increase 98 percent of americans taxes then

and btw?

a tax cut is an expense

It shows as a negative on the books in the CBO, and all negatives are considered an expense. You skip class that day in your economics course?

 

[Kulindahr]

that insures a higher quality of services and product, but to be sure, you cannot just gain an apprenticeship without doling out the bucks.

are you saying that apprenticeships cost nothing and apprentices have no dues obligations? If the union carries the cost then why ask for the fee at all?

that does create a minor ampunt of structural unemployment in that there are those that would be electricians IF they could afford the dues and fees.

Notice I said MAY and I did not say that the union system does not have its advantages.

It allows a service industry to self regulate without placing the burden of the cost on a government system.

Unions contribute to unemployment by making it harder to get work, due to a control on the entrance of new people into union jobs, by controlling training.

I could be a landscaper -- I have most of the skills and knowledge -- but I can't afford the official certification that requires a two-year college degree, or the $1k license fee. I could be a plumber, but things there are even worse, and while I "learned" things I already know, I'd be forking over a huge chunk of my earnings to my "trainer", and then I'd still have to pass expensive union and then state exams, and pay the licensing fee.

In cases like that it's a guild system, and guild systems are always bad for the economy.

Fortunately, not all unions work that way; OTOH, the ones that don't tend not to need many special skills, so they don't pay much.

Personally, I think licensing by the state is a violation of the prohibition against monopolies, but the country gave up on that back under FDR and never blinked.

 

[Kulindahr]

i'm glad they are blocking all bills. Obama has spent enough money. we do not need to be dirt poorer anymore

Yeah.

You must hate the poor, too -- or maybe you like them so well you're rejoicing that the Republicans just decided to make more of them. Thanks to the Republicans nixing unemployment benefits, people are going to be losing houses, and THAT will drag down the economy very effectively.

They have good slogans, but by their actions the Republicans show that they want to abolish the middle class and move wealth toward the top. I'm wondering if they'll even care when nice housing turns to slums, when suburbs are blighted by houses standing empty, when people are killed from collapsing bridges, when cholera begins to sweep through our inner cities.

Personally, I think they'll love it. I think people like John Boehner will smile smugly as people die and children starve, and say, "Well, they could get a job".

I might start to believe differently if he supported bills for punitive measures against corporations that ship jobs overseas, programs for -- oh, wait, I forgot: the Republicans in Congress are no longer FOR anything, especially people.

 

[Kulindahr]

It shows as a negative on the books in the CBO, and all negatives are considered an expense. You skip class that day in your economics course?

I think that's accounting, not economics.

 

[JB3]

Gentlemen:

The idea that tax cuts increase revenue has now formally discredited, by no less an agency than the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office. To wit:

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=106

Supersix (and possibly JustaPixel, if he's real): brothers, I think it's time that you all face reality about this.

They CAN increase revenue. But like Kuli has said several times already in this thread, there are a very specific set of circumstances when that occurs. And we're nowhere near there.

 

[Supersix]

Who controls the congressional budget office? Who interprets the data, and controls it's release to the news media, or not? I'm sure I could google a lot and post it in response to the entitlement mentalities. No need, though, the entitlement mentality is firmly entrenched in the minds, and nothing will change it.

 

[BostonPirate]

Who controls the congressional budget office? Who interprets the data, and controls it's release to the news media, or not? I'm sure I could google a lot and post it in response to the entitlement mentalities. No need, though, the entitlement mentality is firmly entrenched in the minds, and nothing will change it.

yeah

of the rich republicans who have refused to pay their way in this nation for twenty years now.

They are using the money they strip mined out of our economy to buy the republican party and get them to give them more.

Now thats fucking entitlement

 

[JB3]

JB3, are you listening to this? ^ (It's disheartening to see how brainwashed the Supersix crowd is, even in the face of the ugly truth.)

Supersiix, the Congressional Budget Office is probably the only source we can trust, because it's non-partisan.

And if you'd look in the mirror honestly, and look at the deficit data, you'd see this for yourself. $200billion+ deficits did not begin until Ronald Reagan, and everybody already knows about Baby Bush's deficits.

Brother, when are you going to face reality?

Oh I've ignored him for weeks. He's not worth paying attention to.

 

[Supersix]

Congress writes, passes or fails all spending. Whatever president happens to be in office at the time is the one who signs or vetos. These are simple facts. Congress, controlled mostly by one party for most of the last 60 years, pissed it all away. The emotional among you might do yourselves a favor, and finally see that what you accuse me of, you are guilty of yourself. And anyone who wishes to ignore me is free to do so.

 

[Kulindahr]

Gentlemen:

The idea that tax cuts increase revenue has now formally discredited, by no less an agency than the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office. To wit:

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=106

Supersix (and possibly JustaPixel, if he's real): brothers, I think it's time that you all face reality about this.

Nice read -- I wish it was a little more thorough.

It doesn't totally nuke the tax cuts ==> increased revenue concept -- as someone else noticed:

They CAN increase revenue. But like Kuli has said several times already in this thread, there are a very specific set of circumstances when that occurs. And we're nowhere near there.

We won't even be close until we have unemployment back into low single digits. That's not going to happen until we get manufacturing and facility-operation jobs back in the country. And that's not going to happen until people with money start risking it to build these things.

And those are going to need infrastructure spending that will make the cost of Afghanistan pale in comparison

So... basically, it's not going to happen.

 

[Kulindahr]

Who controls the congressional budget office? Who interprets the data, and controls it's release to the news media, or not? I'm sure I could google a lot and post it in response to the entitlement mentalities. No need, though, the entitlement mentality is firmly entrenched in the minds, and nothing will change it.

This is... near-tragic.

As the Professor said in The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, "What do they teach in school these days?"

Do you believe that the laws of physics change depending on whether or not it's politicians doing the observing, and which party they might be, or do you just think the observer changes reality with government-related economics figures?

 

[Supersix]

Statistics can be manipulated, figures lied about, polls manipulated, inconvenient data left out, only one side told, c'mon, you know this. The two dramitically different headlines I listed above that could be used for this topic is an obvious example. Then both sides pick apart the details, but people only see or hear headlines, and go with it as if it's Holy Writ.