Senator Elizabeth Warren: Superdelegates System Is Wrong

[kallipolis]

"At the end of the day"

There's not much to talk about is there ??

Point HERE is Elizabeth Warren
Who has not goose stepped in line behind Hills which is quite something on its own

Says SD system is baaaad

Duh

Saving the people from themselves lol

Thx but no

It's our country

The American electorate is voting for Hillary. Or, hadn't you noticed?

Americans have never goose stepped. That's a German tradition. Try Trumpf's supporters.

 

[offthewall14420]

More distraction....the main event is California....

Yes, remember to vote for Bernie on Wednesday.

 

[hotatlboi]

"Hillary is ahead"

Is all the Hillaryists know

All other issues affecting our democracy are secondary actually irrelevant

What you should do is not participate in threads where you're off topic and offer nada

Doing away with super delegates and fixing campaign financing are two BIG platform issues

"Hillary is ahead" lol

Lemmings to the right of us (note the directional)

The issues affecting our democracy were aired for months in this primary. The people voted. Hillary won. Bernie lost.

The primary issue affecting our democracy at this point is making sure the D nominee defeats Trump. This will be much harder to do if Bernie drags this primary fight out into a contested convention. That would only damage Hillary and he would still lose anyway.

 

[Sausy]

A Hillaryite's prayer

Hail, Hillary...full of ACE!
The Jubbers are with you.
And blessed are thou amongst all women politicians

And blessed is the fruit of this campaign...you're better than Jesus!

 

[kallipolis]

A Hillaryite's prayer

Hail, Hillary...full of ACE!
The Jubbers are with you.
And blessed are thou amongst all women politicians

And blessed is the fruit of this campaign...you're better than Jesus!

Sour grapes.....leaves you with a bitter taste.

 

[offthewall14420]

A Hillaryite's prayer

Hail, Hillary...full of ACE!
The Jubbers are with you.
And blessed are thou amongst all women politicians

And blessed is the fruit of this campaign...you're better than Jesus!

We pray to ourselves, for ourselves.

 

[MisterB]

http://http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-primary_us_5755b736e4b0ed593f150e31

While the OP's thread title states that Senator Warren may believe the superdelegate system to be wrong, a portion captured below from the linked article above is important to note because Senator Warren does not believe that super-delegates should go against the will of the voters...

And then there is the issue of math. By Tuesday night, Clinton will almost assuredly have a majority of pledged delegates. She only needs 33 percent of those awarded on Tuesday (roughly 250) to get there. Though that won’t guarantee her the nomination, since superdelegates also count, it will remove a critical, psychological hurdle. At that juncture, Sanders’ argument that superdelegates should switch their support for Clinton against the will of the voters will no longer be theoretical. And even his ideological compatriots in the Senate — including Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) — have said they oppose that outcome.

And let us remember that the Democratic and Republican primary election processes, including schedule, pledged delegate allocation and how many superdelegates would be involved were set before the first candidate announced. Whether Hillary or Bernie liked or disliked a part of the process is moot, as they both signed on to the game and the rules when they decided to declare their respective candidacies and run as Democrats.

So now, let us recap. Who has won more of the aggregate popular vote? Who has won the majority of pledged delegates? Who has won the most primary races? So why then would the establishment super-delegates go against the will of the people?

 

[rareboy]

And as the piece stated she might just do that

Why you feel it necessary to put the score up is anyone's guess

But it's completely unnecessary in this thread

Debate doesn't stop because Hillary is ascending to the throne

I'm not doing it to annoy you, honestly.

It is just that it provides a clearer context for the discussion in this current election year.

I notice that unlike when Bernie snags 15 votes in some caucus in Bumfucklesota, no one even commented that Hillary had added another state to her tally.

I have noted though that Bernie has taken a course I didn't expect. That even with the popular realtime votes for Hillary, he has gone chasing after super-delegates in order to grab the nomination. I understand why...but somehow, for a man who is constantly degrading and denying the party he's running under...it has kind of cheapened his bid for the nomination. Don't get me wrong. I still like the guy and if he could shift the entire party apparatus to turf Hillary in order to steal the win...I'd give him mad props for being a Machievellian masterfucker.

We have the same system in Canuckistan for the Liberal party too. Outside of locally elected delegates to a leadership convention, there are a whole slew of super-delegates who are there to make sure that party doesn't get hijacked by some movement that might not be an actual reflection of the wishes of the members of the party. To be honest, I've always been comforted by the idea of a tempering influence.

I applaud Elizabeth Warren (one of my favourite politicians, period) for addressing the weaknesses and it will be interesting to see what impact she can have on the system.

But I also agree with Matt. Primaries have not produced better leaders. Certainly not for the GOP. The races can be bought and skewed and tend to leave voters with only the most vociferous contestants.

The emergence of Trump this year shows how demagogues can play to the populists and push a party to the extreme right. It is pretty bad when party leaders are outright decrying the statements of their candidate.

A la prochaine a demain when the results roll in.

Who knows. Maybe Bernie will turn it around.

But if he doesn't, I hope for the good of everyone, that he commits to work with the Dems and Hillary to craft a platform that incorporates many of his ideas while throwing his support behind her.

 

[BenDan]

The issues affecting our democracy were aired for months in this primary. The people voted. Hillary won. Bernie lost.

The primary issue affecting our democracy at this point is making sure the D nominee defeats Trump. This will be much harder to do if Bernie drags this primary fight out into a contested convention. That would only damage Hillary and he would still lose anyway.

Simple minds at work

Last I looks no kings or queens

Party platform

Making lives better for the 99% is all that matters

Hills has her $28mm in income from LY for her retirement

Time to work for those who have not

I guess when you hang with the "Benvolio progressives" that's not an agenda item

 

[hotatlboi]

Simple minds at work

Last I looks no kings or queens

Party platform

Making lives better for the 99% is all that matters

Hills has her $28mm in income from LY for her retirement

Time to work for those who have not

I guess when you hang with the "Benvolio progressives" that's not an agenda item

The 99% will not be served by a Trump presidency, which is what Bernie risks by refusing to accept the reality that he's lost.

 

[BenDan]

The 99% will not be served by a Trump presidency, which is what Bernie risks by refusing to accept the reality that he's lost.

You can live in fear

I prefer hope

 

[Alnitak]

You can live in fear

I prefer hope

Reality is neither fear nor hope.

 

[evanrick]

You can live in fear

I prefer hope

you see how he blames Bernie for Hillary's corruption? who will clinton people blame next? had that one on ignore for months. i dont see it as fear, i see their mindset as perpetual pervasive cynicism.

 

[rareboy]

^ You really do need to learn to read. No one was blaming Bernie for anything.

Just pointing out that he was not going to win the candidacy and that if he doesn't support the Democratic nominee...he risks handing the US 4 years of Donald Trump...who will do nothing to help the 99%.

Hopefully you've had some sleep.

 

[Rolyo85]

WOW..now I am agreeing with Benvolio.....

I know. Two posts in a row. I feel like I need a shower...