Shameful Lesbians Forcing Sperm Donor to Pay Child Support

[TX-Beau]

Kiss my shapely derriere. HE SHOULD HAVE DONE HIS HOMEWORK!

Dodging the point gets you nowhere.

 

[Kulindahr]

Oh spare me - no one but you lives in the libertarian utopia in your head. OF COURSE he should have researched it.

I think he should get off the hook to, and mayhaps he will, BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT!

Claiming after the fact that he should have researched it is easy. But if we all researched everything that people after the fact decide we should have, we'd be seriously hampered in just living.

 

[Kulindahr]

Kiss my derriere. HE SHOULD HAVE DONE HIS HOMEWORK!

Dodging the point gets you nowhere.

No, he shouldn't have to do any homework. The law is wrong and immoral.

And that is the point -- unless your argument is that whatever stupid law someone gets passed, we should all obey them without questioning, and/or that government busybodies should be allowed to butt in whenever they please regardless of good sense.

 

[TX-Beau]

And yet he should have done his homework before he sired a child.

 

[TX-Beau]

You thinking the law is immoral is no help to anyone atall.

Great, this law sucks the big veiny one - AND STILL HE SHOULD HAVE DONE HIS HOMEWORK.

 

[sixthson]

But Kuli, the lesbians signed a contract with the man to help them make a baby then the women expected taxpayers to foot the bill for the baby. The state wants the taxpayers off the hook and the biological parents on it. The state didn't step in because the three of them had a contract, they stepped in because the three of them expect the state to pay for it.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I have to say what I said in the same Hot Topics thread--- the moral of the story here seems to be this is why you don't do things like this over Craig's List personal ads.

 

[TX-Beau]

Lesson, lesbians who get your spooge off craigslist, probably aren't lawyers.

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FUCKER beat me to it!

 

[Kulindahr]

But Kuli, the lesbians signed a contract with the man to help them make a baby then the women expected taxpayers to foot the bill for the baby. The state wants the taxpayers off the hook and the biological parents on it. The state didn't step in because the three of them had a contract, they stepped in because the three of them expect the state to pay for it.

Wrong, backwards, and wrong.

There is no indication that "then the women expected taxpayers to foot the bill for the baby". From the half dozen articles I've read on this so far, it's pretty plain that they expected to do it themselves, but then the economy went sour on them. The state stepped in in spite of the contract, which they shouldn't do. And there's no indication that "the three of them expect the state to pay for it" (see above).

 

[Kulindahr]

I have to say what I said in the same Hot Topics thread--- the moral of the story here seems to be this is why you don't do things like this over Craig's List personal ads.

I say the moral of the story is that the government doesn't want anyone to do much of anything without regulating it and charging fees.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I say the moral of the story is that the government doesn't want anyone to do much of anything without regulating it and charging fees.

I meant this is why if you're serious about this you should use a sperm bank or something that will protect your legal anonymity.

 

[TX-Beau]

This is why you HIRE A LAWYER to peruse contracts this important - I mean, that's a no brainer.

But then he was originally going to sell his spooge on Craigslist, and 2 lesbians were looking for spooge on same.

NOT a sterling example of clear thinking all'round.

 

[dat outside dick]

The law is cited in the OP's link:

"Marotta will ask the court in a hearing January 8 to dismiss the claim, which centers on a state law that the sperm must be donated through a licensed physician in order for the father to be free of any later financial obligations. Marotta gave a container of semen to the couple, who found him on Craigslist, instead of donating through a doctor or clinic."

If two parties make a contract that goes against the law, that contract not just unenforceable, it is void. Dude should have done his homework.

 

[JayHawk]

Agreed he went outside the law and for that will likely have to pay to support his child. Then once the women get on their feet if they are genuine then they will simply absolve him of payment. I know of plenty of single mothers who choose to forgo the payments from the dad just to avoid the dad. If the women do not need government handouts then the government has no enforcement...EXCEPT we are talking about Kansas. What I would like to see is how aggressively the State of Kansas goes after heterosexual deadbeat dads or if this is an extra special case.

As far as Kansas and the state taking up the mantle of child protectorate well it gets above the law sometimes. As an example, I had a sailor who was goofing around with his son at a local store. A older lady called the police, reported their license tag and said that the sailor was kicking and beating his son. The case went to family court and it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that no abuse occurred. Yet the CPS of Kansas refused to let the matter drop and then ruled in their own hearing that they don't care about evidence or the courts, they were going to label this guy a child abuser. It took two more hearings and a lot of wrangling at different levels to get them to accept the evidence and drop the case.

Something tells me this cat aint getting out of anything in the state of Kansas.

 

[TX-Beau]

I can see the reasoning behind such a law - without it, the possibility exists for a man to simply assert he was only a donor and the woman would have no recourse - he said she said.

I'd have a lot more sympathy if any of the three of them had bothered to look it the fuck up.

 

[JayHawk]

Yeah i already stated that. easy day.

Still i would love a investigative look into how aggressively they pursued this case versus others. This is the land where they killed Tiller and home to Westboro Baptist.... the crazy ass people come in spades.

 

[Rolyo85]

Claiming after the fact that he should have researched it is easy. But if we all researched everything that people after the fact decide we should have, we'd be seriously hampered in just living.

Um, some decisions are more obviously requiring previous research than others. I'd say donating sperm on Craigslist should be one of those.

And TX-Beau is right. Libertarian arguments about what's moral and what "should" be are irrelevant when discussing what IS. Claiming that this is somehow government's fault is ludicrous. People do stupid shit all the time. Laws are there to enforce order in such dealings. Some times it seems the result is bad (you apparently consider this one to be so), other times it's clearly good (what if the father in a couple decided he just didn't wanna take care of his kid and bailed?). You can't pick and choose when it should work and when not.

 

[JayHawk]

Um, some decisions are more obviously requiring previous research than others. I'd say donating sperm on Craigslist should be one of those.

This I agree with. Craigslist is everything from classified to hookups... and that is how you wanted to make your child? What the fuck were these women thinking. Perhaps if they couldn't afford the normal fees to have a child with legal protections for the donor then they shouldn't be signing up to support a child for at least 18 years of life.

 

[Jack Springer]

Yeah i already stated that. easy day.

Still i would love a investigative look into how aggressively they pursued this case versus others. This is the land where they killed Tiller and home to Westboro Baptist.... the crazy ass people come in spades.

The land of crazy Kansans ... just a couple of articles from the KC Star this morning.

Kansas militia expects zombies, and it’s dead serious

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/01/03/3993965/kansas-militia-expects-zombies.html#storylink=cpy

Kansas daredevil dies in leap from 393-foot tower (funeral is today)

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/01/04/3995120/kansas-daredevil-dies-in-leap.html#storylink=cpy

 

[rareboy]

Among white supremacists, having "beautiful white children" is considered a duty, and letting the government pay for those children is considered the government's duty.

I believe among the fringe order Mormons, it is referred to as Bleeding the Beast.