Shit I'm Really Sick Of

[kallipolis]

No, not Church institutional support for the abuse itself. Certainly there was Church institutional support for covering up the fact that the abuse took place. I say that because it happened in so many different places across the world, and was handled essentially the same way everywhere. That smacks of policy, not individual choice.

Society has learnt much about paedophile sexual abuse of minors over the last twenty years that the clergy sexual abuse scandals have been raging.

Twenty years ago the initial response of a bishop would have been to refer an abusive priest for psychological evaluation, then act on the professional advice received. In most cases the professional advice would recommend suitable treatment, further evaluation and either, laicization or a return to clerical work in another parish.

Society has learnt that the sexual behaviour of paedophiles cannot be changed, or influenced by psychiatric treatment and that the best solution is to dismiss the offending priest from the priesthood.

There is plenty of blame to share around, including those many therapists who recommended that an offending paedophile priest could be returned to pastoral work after suitable treatment.

What is important is that many changes have been introduced and bishops are now much more sensitive to their absolute need, and legal responsibility to immediately refer legitimate allegations of sexual abuse to the police and let them handle such matters.

 

[Kulindahr]

Society has learnt much about paedophile sexual abuse of minors over the last twenty years that the clergy sexual abuse scandals have been raging.

Twenty years ago the initial response of a bishop would have been to refer an abusive priest for psychological evaluation, then act on the professional advice received. In most cases the professional advice would recommend suitable treatment, further evaluation and either, laicization or a return to clerical work in another parish.

Society has learnt that the sexual behaviour of paedophiles cannot be changed, or influenced by psychiatric treatment and that the best solution is to dismiss the offending priest from the priesthood.

There is plenty of blame to share around, including those many therapists who recommended that an offending paedophile priest could be returned to pastoral work after suitable treatment.

What is important is that many changes have been introduced and bishops are now much more sensitive to their absolute need, and legal responsibility to immediately refer legitimate allegations of sexual abuse to the police and let them handle such matters.

Just noting that most of the abuse wasn't pedophile in nature. Additionally, there's a lot of room form argument about whether pedophiles can be changed.

I still think the best place for the offending priests is lifetime in a monastery, with no contact with anyone under 21.

 

[kallipolis]

Just noting that most of the abuse wasn't pedophile in nature. Additionally, there's a lot of room form argument about whether pedophiles can be changed.

I still think the best place for the offending priests is lifetime in a monastery, with no contact with anyone under 21.

When teenage boys are the victims we can refer to ephebophilia.

 

[Críostóir]

When teenage boys are the victims we can refer to ephebophilia.

This is true, but there were also many adult female victims.

 

[kallipolis]

This is true, but there were also many adult female victims.

The reverse is true.

Celibate priests are often the target of malevolent accusations by ladies in the parish who develop a crush on their priest. It would appear that the celibacy factor encourages some women to develop an unhealthy obsession on their local priest.

Bishops' offices are often in receipt of complaint letters from women who level allegations of mistreatment, even sexual abuse at their priest in response to his rejection of their sexual overtures.

In today's climate any priest accused of sexual misconduct is automatically suspended from his pastoral duties pending further investigation.

Should the accuser prefer not to report the allegation to the police (for fear of media publicity) a private diocesan inquiry is immediately initiated to ascertain the facts, and report the results to the priest's bishop for his further action should the complaint be verified.

Proven cases of sexual misconduct by priests against adult women are a very rare event.

 

[Kulindahr]

When teenage boys are the victims we can refer to ephebophilia.

Which is a whole different ball game than pedophilia, as far as treatment.

I think of it in terms of corn: for people who like actual corn, it isn't hard to teach them to wait until it's a bit riper; for people who delight in chowing on the ears while the cob is tender and the kernels haven't even begun to form, there's little hope.

 

[Kulindahr]

The reverse is true.

Celibate priests are often the target of malevolent accusations by ladies in the parish who develop a crush on their priest. It would appear that the celibacy factor encourages some women to develop an unhealthy obsession on their local priest.

Bishops' offices are often in receipt of complaint letters from women who level allegations of mistreatment, even sexual abuse at their priest in response to his rejection of their sexual overtures.

And that's not confined to the Roman Catholics -- it happens to Lutherans, Orthodox, Anglicans/Episcopalians, and Methodists ~~ just about any denomination with priests or something similar. What is it about a priesthood that fuels sexuality?

 

[Dolmance]

Contraception. AIDS. Africa.

 

[kallipolis]

Contraception. AIDS. Africa.

The rising incidence of HIV among American gay young men is all the fault of that old man in Rome who insists that people engaging in sexual relations should not use condoms.

Catholics stopped listening to the pope's guidance on contraception way back in the 1960s. The standard size of a Catholic family evidences this fact of life.

African traditions on sexual behaviour are hardly influenced by the old man in Rome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchasing
Bug parties

Bug parties (or "conversion parties") are gatherings at which gift givers and bug chasers meet to have sex, so that the HIV negative individuals may catch the disease.[5]Bug parties are sex parties which often range from a few to as many as 30 people, where every participant is encouraged to have unsafe sex. There are several variations of bug parties. At some, there is one member of the group who is HIV positive. Only this individual and the host know his positive status. The remaining participants know that there is an infected person in the room, but do not know his identity. In other variations of a bug party, there is one person who is not infected with HIV; however the other participants are or may be. Every one is aware of the person who is disease free. The HIV negative person then allows the infected men to have unprotected sex with him.

 

[Críostóir]

kallipolis, the section of your last post on Bugchasing is entirely off topic. The topic here is the unfair reviling of an entire religion for the actions of a few members of that religion.

Please stick to the topic.

 

[kallipolis]

kallipolis, the section of your last post on Bugchasing is entirely off topic. The topic here is the unfair reviling of an entire religion for the actions of a few members of that religion.

Please stick to the topic.

Of course my post is on topic for it refers to an unfair, and unjustified accusation levelled at Catholicism.

Read carefully, and you will appreciate why I quoted the bug chasers as a riposte to the post by Dolmance when referring to contraception, HIV, and Africa.

On this forum the regulars are easy going and do not appreciate obsessive, compulsive commands from those who wish to direct discussion.

And bear in mind that your thread title leaves much to the imagination.

 

[Críostóir]

Oh, was that what you were trying to do? If anything, you're making the opposite point. Besides, as far as I know "conversion parties" aren't particularly a phenomenon (and especially not a major factor) in Africa, where AIDS is not considered a gay phenomenon at all.

 

[kallipolis]

Oh, was that what you were trying to do? If anything, you're making the opposite point. Besides, as far as I know "conversion parties" aren't particularly a phenomenon (and especially not a major factor) in Africa, where AIDS is not considered a gay phenomenon at all.

I can't help you.

I appreciate that you are a very rare visitor on this forum and therefore not familiar with the routines established by regulars that evidence a much more open approach to posting protocol.

I have nothing further to add.

 

[Kulindahr]

Catholics stopped listening to the pope's guidance on contraception way back in the 1960s. The standard size of a Catholic family evidences this fact of life.

Thinking of the pope, that's something I'm sick of: people who treat his every word as about on par with the words of the Bible. I sometimes think that if farts could be collected, they'd have them in bottles as papal "relics".

But it is nice that a growing number of Roman Catholics are smarter than the "old man in Rome", who doesn't get that God filled this planet with other species which are also to be fruitful and multiply, so when we're crowding them out, we're in obvious disobedience to the command "fill the earth" -- humanity accomplished that back around the time of the first moon landing, or before.

 

[HoodedRat]

Thinking of the pope, that's something I'm sick of: people who treat his every word as about on par with the words of the Bible. I sometimes think that if farts could be collected, they'd have them in bottles as papal "relics".

I wonder if they would only be valid if produced 'ex cathedra'?

 

[Kulindahr]

I wonder if they would only be valid if produced 'ex cathedra'?

Or maybe if he was suffering....