Shooting instructor dies after being accidentally shot by girl

[bankside]

I wonder what the parents were thinking and what they think now. Has anyone heard if the parents were gun nuts?

Is this rhetorical? Am I missing something.

I don't know if I'm missing some dark satire in your question or if you mean it as written. And I hate disagreeing with you because I think you post some of the most interesting perspectives on JUB.

But there are several continents full of people reading the news who'd all say the reason this happened is because we have a country that actually has to ponder whether taking an 8-year-old to a shooting range to fire an assault weapon is nutty or not.

 

[TickTockMan]

They took their 8 year old to the shooting range for a "Desert Storm" experience and let her handle an automatic assault weapon - what do you think?

Is this rhetorical? Am I missing something.

I don't know if I'm missing some dark satire in your question or if you mean it as written. And I hate disagreeing with you because I think you post some of the most interesting perspectives on JUB.

But there are several continents full of people reading the news who'd all say the reason this happened is because we have a country that actually has to ponder whether taking an 8-year-old to a shooting range to fire an assault weapon is nutty or not.

I am of the mind her parents may just be dumb asses OR gun nuts. They don’t necessarily have to be both. Maybe I am the dumb one though and they are both.




Anyways, I was hoping Kulindahr would post to see what he thinks about this, but it seems he is staying away for some reason.

 

[TickTockMan]

For all the hoopla gun nuts give to the AK47 because it can survive if an asteriod hit the Earth or whatever, the M16 has still killed way more people, and that's because you can actually aim with it. "Automatic" is way overrated.

I would take a non-automatic gun any day over a automatic one. Non-automatic guns are much easier to use. Firing an automatic gun and hitting your target takes a skill most people do not have, nor should have.

 

[bankside]

I am of the mind her parents may just be dumb asses OR gun nuts. They don’t necessarily have to be both. Maybe I am the dumb one though and they are both.

Ohh. Well maybe that's true of the parents, but the point is there was a legal, duly constituted business that was able to say to the parents (assuming they were only dumb), "Yes! This is a great idea. Bring your 9 year old down next Tuesday...." and that right there is the completely fucking nutso part.

Anyways, I was hoping Kulindahr would post to see what he thinks about this, but it seems he is staying away for some reason.

Another thread in hot topics. Same subject. Synopsis:

• This would never have happened if they had picked a more age-appropriate weapon.
• The instructor was doing it wrong
• Clearly the instructor was an idiot, who should have followed the procedures I've decided make sense to follow when you teach a student in Grade 4 how to fire an assault weapon. You should tie the end of the weapon down when the child can't handle the Uzi because that would be a perfectly reasonable and sane thing to do.

You can't make this stuff up. It could be from saturday night live or the Onion or monty python.

 

[purina]

I thought this thread had been merged with the other one.

 

[TickTockMan]

Ohh. Well maybe that's true of the parents, but the point is there was a legal, duly constituted business that was able to say to the parents (assuming they were only dumb), "Yes! This is a great idea. Bring your 9 year old down next Tuesday...." and that right there is the completely fucking nutso part.

I agree. It is nuts.

When this story first broke people were saying on Las Vegas news sites that the range web site said they only allowed kids 10 and up to shoot. Evidently money mattered more since she was nine.

Another thread in hot topics. Same subject. Synopsis:

• This would never have happened if they had picked a more age-appropriate weapon.
• The instructor was doing it wrong
• Clearly the instructor was an idiot, who should have followed the procedures I've decided make sense to follow when you teach a student in Grade 4 how to fire an assault weapon. You should tie the end of the weapon down when the child can't handle the Uzi because that would be a perfectly reasonable and sane thing to do.

You can't make this stuff up. It could be from saturday night live or the Onion or monty python.

That is along the lines I thought he would take.



I admit firing guns is fun, but some people take it too far.

 

[TX-Beau]

The worst damage that the NRA and the Gun industry has done is to train people to think Guns are entertainment.

 

[rareboy]

The worst damage that the NRA and the Gun industry has done is to train people to think Guns are entertainment.

This in a nutshell.

 

[T-Rexx]

The worst damage that the NRA and the Gun industry has done is to train people to think Guns are entertainment.

Also that guns are safe. There is nothing "safe" about an instrument specifically designed to kill people.

We are horrified if an ignition switch defect in a car kills 10 people a year. But 32,000 deaths per year from guns is totally acceptable.

 

[rareboy]

...and once again, just to show everyone how fucked up and tone deaf the NRA is:

NRA: 'Children Can Have Fun At The Shooting Range'

Less than two days after a 9-year-old girl in Arizona accidentally shot and killed a gun range instructor who was showing her how to fire an Uzi, the National Rifle Association on Wednesday touted new ways for children to "have fun" at shooting ranges.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/27/nra-children-gun-range_n_5725674.html

 

[xbuzzerx]

...and once again, just to show everyone how fucked up and tone deaf the NRA is:

NRA: 'Children Can Have Fun At The Shooting Range'



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/27/nra-children-gun-range_n_5725674.html

Yup was waiting for this or something like it. Couple of days after any horrific gun incident, enter the NRA with a rally or convention about how guns are great.

 

[chrisrobin]

Let's see: in Illinois... to purchase a state lotto ticket you've got to be 16.
to drive a car you've got to be 16.
to buy cigarettes you've got to be 18.
to vote you've got to be 18.
to buy alcoholic beverages you've got to be 21.
to shoot an uzi.... never mind.

And now - I would like to dedicate this song to the NRA:

 

[TickTockMan]

Gun tourism grows in popularity in recent years

"We have better safety standards for who gets to ride a roller coaster at an amusement park," said Gerry Hills, founder of Arizonans for Gun Safety, a group seeking to reduce gun violence. Referring to the girl's parents, Hills said: "I just don't see any reason in the world why you would allow a 9-year-old to put her hands on an Uzi."

http://news.yahoo.com/gun-tourism-grows-popularity-recent-years-052300809.html


I thought this was a good read. It proves TX-Beau's point.

 

[bike10]

What next how use machine gun?

 

[TX-Beau]

I think that technically an Uzi is a machine gun, next up, artillery!!

I saw the owner of the shooting range interviewed on TV, honestly, obviously this guy didn't even understand why people were incredulous. He kept kinda implying that all was safe since they only hired ex-military/law enforcement, like the problem with this was crime or something - I kept waiting for the interviewer to bring up the point that the ex-military/law enforcement trainer got offed by a nine year old girl, so OBVIOUSLY the credentials of the instructors were not the problem, but, no dice. They let him off easy. In any other "entertainment" industry there would be charges.

 

[bankside]

I saw the owner of the shooting range interviewed on TV, honestly, obviously this guy didn't even understand why people were incredulous. He kept kinda implying that all was safe since they only hired ex-military/law enforcement, like the problem with this was crime or something

So something like "We were lied to! They told us she was a little white girl! But the pony tail was just a disguise! That was a teenaged black male! And now Obama wants to take our guns away!"

 

[TX-Beau]

When they asked him if perhaps a nine year old ought not be handling an automatic weapon, his answer was that their policy was that no one under 8 could handle that weapon. So it was OK because it didn't violate their policy. Really, that's what he said. Then he went on to say that maybe the policy should be that one had to be over four feet in height before one could handle the automatic weapon.

I was mad at the interviewer who didn't bother to ask if he thought that maybe the POLICY of letting little kids play with assault weapons was the problem in the first place. Of course if he had any kind of decent lawyer, he would never be allowed to answer that question ever, even in private.

 

[TX-Beau]

I hope to hell there is a civil suit over this.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I saw the owner of the shooting range interviewed on TV, honestly, obviously this guy didn't even understand why people were incredulous. He kept kinda implying that all was safe since they only hired ex-military/law enforcement, like the problem with this was crime or something

That's typical of gun nuts. They apparently have a simplistic view that guns are NEVER the problem, the only problem ever is that there are good people and evil people and sometimes evil people are the ones with the guns. A 9 year old with an uzi or an otherwise law abiding citizen going off his anti-psychotic medications one day and picking up guns on his way to class at Virginia Tech in total and complete legality is not the issue. It can't be allowed to be the issue.

 

[T-Rexx]

I hope to hell there is a civil suit over this.

What I expect is that the family of the girl will sue the shooting range.

"Why didn't you tell us that guns can kill people?" "What is wrong with your Uzis that they can't be controlled by a little girl?" "Why did your instructor insist on splashing his brains all over our dear child?"