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Should drinking age be lowered to 18

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It *used* to be 19 in The States, which I think is a good age. (Keeps it out of the high school, and such...)

But right now it's 21, which is a joke. I don't know *any* 20 year old that can't get alcohol if they want it....

It's just typical American fake outrage bullshit. Another rule no one follows.
 
I'd be in favour of 18.

You can buy porn at 18, but you can't get into a strip club because they sell alcohol. Drrrr.

Porn/alcohol at 18 should go hand in hand, ffs!

And while we are at it, just legalize pot already. Sheesh. Personally I don't use it, but I think the laws against it are retarded.

I think Europe has the right idea about alcohol. They don't keep it a big mystery from kids. It is quite common in areas of Europe for kids to have a small bit of wine with dinner. No harm done. And they don't grow up thinking alcohol is a 'magic elixir,' and then go insane with it (American college kids, much?) when they finally do get to have some.

cgymike said:
21 on the other hand isn't realistic and in the states it doesn't seem to really cut down on drink driving ...
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America has some pretty draconian alcohol laws. You can sign up for the army at 18, be trained to killed, given a gun and sent overseas to die, but you can't buy a skin mag or enjoy a cold beer on a hot summer day. No, for that you have to wait 3 more years. LOL

But you CAN drive a car at 16 (15 in some places), which is perfectly fine. Nothing like setting a hormonally charged teen whose fine motor skills have not fully developed behind the wheel of a powerful machine!
 
No. With the drinking age at 21, it limits kiddie drinking by association. Not many 21 year olds hang out with underage kids. However, it's not uncommon for an 18 year old college Freshmen to have a few lingering underage HS buddies. How likely is it that when he goes to buy alcohol that he'll restrict his 17 year old buddy riding in the passenger seat from throwing back a beer with him?
 
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No. With the drinking age at 21, it limits kiddie drinking by association. Not many 21 year olds hang out with people underage kids.
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Oh, come on....

How many people under 21 have older siblings and co-workers.

They don't have to "hang out" with them.... They just have to buy it for them.
 
I think..... as long as you are old enough to enlist in the Army, carry a rifle and shoot someone in a war, you should certainly be old enough to knock one back. Otherwise they should raise the induction age to go to war and kill.
 
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Not many 21 year olds hang out with underage kids.
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Woah that is some sheltered. People in their 40's give beers to their children and their children's friends. And let them wrestle with plywood with nails sticking out. And show them porn videos.

Lowering the drinking age will curb kids' alcohol intake down to a glass of red wine for dinner at home instead of drinking PRB through a funnel in some friend's house.
 
ravenstar said:
That's a rather Utopian viewpoint don't you think? Who hasn't bought alcohol for someone a year under the limit?
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I haven't.

When I was 18 90% of my friends that I worked with were 17. The 18 year olds would buy the alcohol and we'd all go and have a party at someone's house. Hell, my mother used to buy my wine/scotch or southern comfort for me when I was 17.
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Right. Which was my point. A just turned eighteen year kid can't be trusted to legally chaperon his seventeen year old buddies. It wouldn't be at all unpredictable for an eighteen year old would use his newly allotted drinking freedom to allow his underage friends to drink too. Hell, I can imagine a group of seventeen year olds contemplating ahead of time having drinking parties as soon as the 'oldest' of the bunch reaches eighteen and can legally get alcohol for the entire clique...which is one of the reasons why eighteen year olds don't get to legally drink. As I said, twenty-one year olds tend to not associate, and party, with high school kids -- therefore that is the socially safer drinking age. And while they may hang out with 20, 19, 18 year olds...truth be told, everyone expects kids that age to drink, even if it is technically illegal. That isn't the same as an eighteen year old whose running crew consists of 16 and 17 year olds.
 
Ever go to a college campus, on the majority of campus you will most likely find remnants of alcohol paraphernalia. Between fake ID, and 21y/o friends, underage kids can get alcohol pretty easy. So, why do we force people to wait until they are twenty one years old do to something, the major of people will experience their first year of college.

In my opinion, wouldn't it be better if the drinking age was lowered to 18? because the majority of college-bound students will turn 18, prior to heading off to school, and if they turn 18, and can drink, the majority of kids will still be some what under their parents eyes. If kids are drinking and their parents know about it, they can have a more meaningful conversation about alcohol, drinking, and tolerance.

I know my parents lectured me, when I came home tanked on my 21st birthday, but was that the first time I got wasted? Not a chance. My Freshmen year in college, I ended up in health services, after a crazy night of partying, and I know a good number of other students who discovered alcohol and its effects just from Freshmen year.

Drinking needs to be less hidden. If kids, who are gonna be drinking anyway, can do it out in the open, society will be better able to teach them what is acceptable, and how to drink and have fun. Not drink to get drunk and then have fun, which is what most Freshmen do.

How many college students do you hear, "yo, I was so wasted last night!" like its a badge of honor?
 
wastingmymind said:
Woah that is some sheltered. People in their 40's give beers to their children and their children's friends. And let them wrestle with plywood with nails sticking out. And show them porn videos.
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Errrr...what?! Anyone in their forties who does that should have Chris Hanson and local authorities at their door.

Lowering the drinking age will curb kids' alcohol intake down to a glass of red wine for dinner at home instead of drinking PRB through a funnel in some friend's house.
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LOL (x10) Yeah, okay. How many eighteen year olds do you know who'd limit drinking to a glass of red wine with dinner? :lol:

That's like saying letting a fourteen year old have legal access to porn (...or did I just spoil the next roundtable discussion topic?) will encourage him to use it for thoughtful exchanges with his parents about love making and sexual responsibility.
 
Like other people have mentioned here; if 18 is considered an adult, and you can join the military and be trained to kill and be sent over seas to fight (and possibly die) for your country, be legally tried as an adult in the courts, and can legally go into sex shops and buy porn,

then you should also be able to legally drink, too.




Happy 18th birthday! You are now an adult! But you can't drink until you're 21...




Yaya! ...wait, what?
 
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As I said, twenty-one year olds tend to not associate, and party, with high school kids -- therefore that is the socially safer drinking age.
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A lot of high schoolers get their alcohol from their friends older 21 year old siblings secret stash. Hell a lot of 21 year olds don't care if their younger 17,18, year old siblings drink.

Also the 21 year olds, don't have to hang out with the 17-18 year olds. Alot of them go to where the 21 year olds parties. Just say your a sibling/friend of somebody or show a fake ID.
 
All I know is that alcohol wasn't treated as a taboo substance in my house growing up. My brother and I were allowed sips of wine or beer and, of course, the Jewish holidays involve wine, as well. Neither of us drink to excess. Rather, we have an appreciation for quality alcohol and understand the concept of moderation. The drinking age should be 18.

Also, being in college at the moment, a number of my friends are underage. I don't buy them alcohol, but they never ask because they can already get it on their own. The drinking age hardly affects them at all.
 
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Errrr...what?! Anyone in their forties who does that should have Chris Hanson and local authorities at their door.

LOL (x10) Yeah, okay. How many eighteen year olds do you know who'd limit drinking to a glass of red wine with dinner? :lol:

That's like saying letting a fourteen year old have legal access to porn (...or did I just spoil the next roundtable discussion topic?) will encourage him to use it for thoughtful exchanges with his parents about love making and sexual responsibility.
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As far as I know the woman's child and grandchild never see her again.

And alcohol and porn are like apples and oranges. When I was 19, I'd drink a lot but eventually drinking became a side thing and not the main event. There are other cultures that allow that process to happen sooner and quicker. In countries that have lower age limits (Italy) or where it's culturally acceptable to have your first drink in front of your parents (Korea), the "I'm soo waasted" stage is almost eliminated.
 
I do have to say, in Germany, our drinking ages are 16 and 18. 16 for beer, wine and sekt (champagne) and 18 for hard liquor. However, this is very loosely controlled and there are a lot of problems with youth wandering the streets at night, wasted and underaged. I think that 18 is a good age, but it needs to be enforced. That added, it is also legal to consume alcohol in public here, and it is also legal to be drunk in public.
 
It's 18 here, but what's the difference? You can pretty much get anything illegally from the adults or with fake IDs. Hey, my parents even permitted me drink them when I was like 8.
 
Hmm... I personally feel that if your old enough to die for your country your old enough to drink, smoke, buy porn. Anyone who thinks keeping the drinking age at 21 (at least in the states) is stopping kids from drinking is a fooling themselves.

Alcohol is so easy to get.
 
Actually service members can drink while underage. On base only, though...
 
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