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Should Pot Continue To Be Illegal?

Do you think that pot should continue to be illegal?

  • Yes (Please explain)

    Votes: 5 17.2%
  • No (Please explain)

    Votes: 24 82.8%
  • Yes & No (Please explain)

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I have never done pot and I have no desire to try it but I think that it is a dumb thing to have illegal. It does not stop people from doing it. It is currently the largest casth crop in the US:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-pot18dec18,0,5264617.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Pot is called biggest cash crop

The $35-billion market value of U.S.-grown cannabis tops that of such heartland staples as corn and hay, a marijuana activist says.
By Eric Bailey, Times Staff Writer
December 18, 2006


SACRAMENTO — For years, activists in the marijuana legalization movement have claimed that cannabis is America's biggest cash crop. Now they're citing government statistics to prove it.

A report released today by a marijuana public policy analyst contends that the market value of pot produced in the U.S. exceeds $35 billion — far more than the crop value of such heartland staples as corn, soybeans and hay, which are the top three legal cash crops.






California is responsible for more than a third of the cannabis harvest, with an estimated production of $13.8 billion that exceeds the value of the state's grapes, vegetables and hay combined — and marijuana is the top cash crop in a dozen states, the report states.

The report estimates that marijuana production has increased tenfold in the past quarter century despite an exhaustive anti-drug effort by law enforcement.

Jon Gettman, the report's author, is a public policy consultant and leading proponent of the push to drop marijuana from the federal list of hard-core Schedule 1 drugs — which are deemed to have no medicinal value and a high likelihood of abuse — such as heroin and LSD.

He argues that the data support his push to begin treating cannabis like tobacco and alcohol by legalizing and reaping a tax windfall from it, while controlling production and distribution to better restrict use by teenagers.

"Despite years of effort by law enforcement, they're not getting rid of it," Gettman said. "Not only is the problem worse in terms of magnitude of cultivation, but production has spread all around the country. To say the genie is out of the bottle is a profound understatement."

While withholding judgment on the study's findings, federal anti-drug officials took exception to Gettman's conclusions.

Tom Riley, a spokesman for the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, cited examples of foreign countries that have struggled with big crops used to produce cocaine and heroin. "Coca is Colombia's largest cash crop and that hasn't worked out for them, and opium poppies are Afghanistan's largest crop, and that has worked out disastrously for them," Riley said. "I don't know why we would venture down that road."

The contention that pot is America's biggest cash crop dates to the early 1980s, when marijuana legalization advocates began citing Drug Enforcement Administration estimates suggesting that about 1,000 metric tons of pot were being produced nationwide. Over the years, marijuana advocates have produced studies estimating the size and value of the U.S. crop, most recently in 1998.

Gettman's report cites figures in a 2005 State Department report estimating U.S. cannabis cultivation at 10,000 metric tons, or more than 22 million pounds — 10 times the 1981 production.

Using data on the number of pounds eradicated by police around the U.S., Gettman produced estimates of the likely size and value of the cannabis crop in each state. His methodology used what he described as a conservative value of about $1,600 a pound compared to the $2,000- to $4,000-a-pound street value often cited by law enforcement agencies after busts.

In California, the state's Campaign Against Marijuana Planting seized nearly 1.7 million plants this year — triple the haul in 2005 — with an estimated street value of more than $6.7 billion. Based on the seizure rate over the last three years, the study estimates that California grew more than 21 million marijuana plants in 2006 — with a production value nearly triple the next closest state, Tennessee, which had an estimated $4.7-billion cannabis harvest.

California ranked as the report's top state for both outdoor and indoor marijuana production. The report estimates that the state had 4.2 million indoor plants valued at nearly $1.5 billion. The state of Washington was ranked next, with $438 million worth of indoor cannabis plants.

California also is among nine states that produce more cannabis than residents consumed, Gettman estimates. According to the National Survey on Drug Use and Health, the state's 3.3 million cannabis users represent about 13% of the nation's pot smokers. But California produces more than 38% of the cannabis grown in the country, the study contends.

Nationwide, the estimated cannabis production of $35.8 billion exceeds corn ($23 billion), soybeans ($17.6 billion) and hay ($12.2 billion), according to Gettman's findings.

And we waste so much money trying to stop it...with putting people in prison...numerous court cases every year...seems like a waste of money to me. Our law enforcement could also be focusing on more important things.

I feel the same way with prostitution...except I think that the government should require some form of health standards.
 
funny how such a harmless crop that can help in SO many ways is illegal, but Tobacco and alcohol are available over the counter.
 
I've never tried Pot, and don't think I will.


That being said, I am in favour of the decriminalization of it.


The simple fact of the matter is, if someone wants it: They're going to get it.

Just because it's illegal, doesn't make the problem go away.

That being said, pot should be treated as a crown corporation after decriminalized.

By which I mean, regulated by the government and sold in pharmacies only. There should also be a restricted limit on how much a person is allowed to buy at one time.

The fact of the matter is, there is money to be made off taxes on pot.

Also, by making sure pharmacies are the ones selling it, there's no chance of it being cut with harmful or dangerous substances that could harm anyone who uses it.

But, for the sake of health, the government should pursue programs that encourage the path of "ingestion" through "magic brownies" rather than smoking.

As pot is known to slow Alzhemiers, and some research suggests pot actually regrows dead brain cells....But the smoke is still quite harmful. Whereas the ingestive route, as far as I know, is not as harmful.

Well, that's my two cents.
 
I have friends who are totally dependant on this drug and I see it as more harmful than tobacco but less harmful than alcohol but then again all things are relative. I'm not saying that it doesn't have positive effects because it does but I think we need to look at it from a psychological perspective to truly realise it's harmful effects, especially on teenagers woh's brains are still in development.
 
The problem with pot today is that it now has additives to increase the high but create other problems that are not so easy to fix. If pot were in it's natural form with little or no alteration I would have no objection it it being decriminalized.

As already stated there are medical benefits and fail to see why it cannot be used legally where it will assist or help to a person who is ill.
 
No.

In this little country of mine, pot is legally obtainable (albeit in small amounts) in coffee shops. There are no massive problems with it, we're not all stoned out of our minds all day long and I only rarely see someone smoke a joint on the streets.
 
Yes, it should stay illegal. Why should we make something like this legal when people already abuse the other substances mentioned so much?
People are already abusing it as marijuana is incredibly easy to obtain, and the 'war on drugs' is failing miserably. It's time for a new approach.

At least with legalization, people can continue to buy the drug they'd be getting anyway, but paying the government would undercut organized crime, and the revenue could go towards health care or even promotional campaigns to stop individuals from buying weed in the first place.
 
Making it legal won't solve the 'problem'. Because the problem isn't the substance.
Making it legal will provide funding to help solve the "problem" while cutting off billions of dollars that flow to organized crime.

It's win-win.
 
but I have to say that a fair portion of people who want it legalized only want to use it as a feel-good-drug.
Well of course users are going to want it legalized, but you have to look at the pros of doing so. Billions can be redirected from organized crime and marijuana is a common drug that people continue to use despite being illegal for years.

What we're doing now isn't working. How long will people continue to think it is?
 
Admittedly, a lot of young people already tend to act like complete idiots without being high so we don't need a bunch of them running around in any kind of smiling sedated haze that would make it that much worse.

Shouldn't that be their right? Shouldn't we be able to "act" anyway we want, as long as we're not hurting others?

Is it your "job" to decide what's proper for others, and what isn't?

I'd prefer to live in a free country, not a nanny state where decisions about what I eat, drink, smoke, etc. are left to "my betters".....
 
Legalse it, I say..
But whether it's illegal or not.. it aint going to stop anyone.. Lets be honest!

It'll always be something that happens on a daily basis (not me personally)
 
I always get a giggle out of people who agitate for medical marijuana... they all look like hippies to me, and I imagine that they aren't so much interested in allowing AIDS patients and glaucoma sufferers to use pot as getting some for themselves.

But I have long felt that marijuana should be decriminalized. As a drug, it's fairly harmless, and regulating it would be beneficial both to the government and to the user. In fact, I think the most effective coup de grace in the War on Drugs would be for the government and the pharmaceutical industry to take over the drug trade in toto. Get your heroin at your local Long's, why the hell not? It's safer that way.

They often talk of marijuana as a "gateway drug," that people start with pot at a party and the next thing you know they're shooting smack in an alley. But I firmly believe the reason for that is that you have to go outside of society to get your pot, and once on the outside, the next step is clear and easy... in for a penny, in for a pound, as they say. If I have to get my pot from a dealer instead of a nice pharmacy, other stuff the dealer sells will be attractive, too. And I'm already breaking the law, so what's another law?

But that's just not the way America works. Our entire system of juris prudence seems to be based on the idiotic notion that if you illegalize something, it stops. But in reality, in most cases, it doesn't even decrease the instances of the illegal action... it just makes it criminal. And making it easier to get won't, I believe, make more addicts: it will simply put those addicts to work for society instead of against it.
 
pot, like cigs and alcchol there is a time and a place for all. People who uses these vices do not always excercise what is right.

I am sure this thread was started by a con and next posts there was a pro. but the bottom line until the goverment can find a way to put a hefty tax on it you will not see it legal for a long time.

for the record. I used to use it. in fact I started at about 38 to 40 yo. used when the chemisrty is good with people. it is the funniest stuff going.
 
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Should Pot Continue To Be Illegal?

NO.

Here's the Prince Of Pot........

The DEA considers him a drug kingpin..

 
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Here's the Prince Of Pot........

The DEA considers him a drug kingpin..

Fucking americans. wanting to prosecute someone in the USA for something they do in Canada.

No wonder everyone hates us down here.
 
others will surely be completely stoned everyday at their jobs just because they can. It's the ol' give an inch and they'll take a mile scenario.


Look, alcohol is legal (though regulated) and I think pot could be too. Is the workforce really full of drunks, wasted on the job? No reason to think it would be different with pot. Like alcohol and cigarettes, there would be appropriate times and places for the use of this substance.

The kids already seem to get access to pot, even with the billions we spend on enforcement; let's save the money, pass regulations, set up education programs, etc..

Enough of this "War" against a common and useful plant.
 
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