Should Texas secede from the U.S.?

[Apollo]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Texas does not have a diverse economy. I am taking a class specifically discussing economic innovation. The top 10 states with diverse economies are...

1. MA
2. CT
3. NJ
4. PA
5. CA
6. NY
7. MN
8. IL
9. VA
10. NC

This is based upon the 2008 study of the Innovation Economy Index. My prof heads the board so she clearly knows what she is talking about.

http://www.masstech.org/institute/index2008-21909.pdf

Fine, lets rephrase, it is strong enough to survive on it's own without the need for the US economy as a whole.

In that we have oil and other shit.

 

[Apollo]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

It certainly may not be treason to want to leave the Union however it is certainly an anti-American stance to take or to even mention the possibility of it. I also thought Texans were so patriotic and pro-American; guess that is only when it's convenient for them. Why isn't Homeland Security investigating this? That kind of talk smells of a possible revolt and government takeover.

Personally I say let them go and take Chuck Norris, Perry, Bush and all the other nuts that want to leave with them. It would be great to see how they would fight off Mexico when they decide to take back what was once theirs.

If there is anyone else in the country that is unhappy with our current administration, then go with them too. If there isn't enough room for everyone, then send them to Iraq and let them live in the land their War Gods invaded and destroyed.

Ann Richards is probably rolling over in her grave with even the mention of secession.

Texans are pro-texas first, pro-america second

 

[JSB_01]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Why attack the state of Texas? Texas isn't the problem, Perry is.

Time for change.

I agree. And as Críostóir has said, Houston has a decent amount of Democrats. Houston and San Antonio both have Democratic mayors. Dallas also had a Democratic mayor a couple of years ago. And Austin is not alone in leaning to the left; El Paso has a strong Democratic record as well. There are pockets of us in the state, so don't throw the baby out with the bath water!

On a side note, I saw a clip of Glenn Beck at the Alamo for the Tea Party. It was almost offensive seeing him there with all those supporters. Ugh, it was like he was desecrating a historic spot.

 

[Apollo]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

I know some very nice liberal people in Houston. Houston is beautiful, as long as you stay in an air-conditioned car while you look at the beautiful oak trees.

The climate there is unspeakable. I was there in October and thought I was going to die of the heat just going from an air-conditioned house to an air-conditioned car. What it's like in July I cannot imagine, except that the Open Mouth Of Hell comes to mind as a fair comparison.

I have to agree with you there. Houston is not a place to be without A/C. And July is bad, but August is the worse. You do not want to step out of your house in July and August.

 

[Críostóir]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

I met a guy from Texas when I was in the Army, who introduced himself as a ''Texan -American.''

I knew right then he was asshole..

Well, he could have been a guy with an ironic sense of humor. But asshole is the way to bet.

 

[Apollo]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

The humidity is the worst.

And the mosquitoes.

OMG I know!!!! I sweat like a little pig just being outside for a minute.

The mosquito's didnt bother me last year, dont know why, but I am not so optimistic this year.

 

[Ram]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

It would be interesting to see Texas...even with their oil money...fund their own military, independently support their massive immigrant population, rebuild a space program (if they were so inclined), fund their own schools, back their own currency, support their own insurance industry (the get hit by some pretty strong storms), fund their schools, register their over 60 folk, guard their borders. It would be odd to look at a map and see Texas as it's own nation.

Ha! You said fund their schools twice! Ha! Ha!

 

[Apollo]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

It would be interesting to see Texas...even with their oil money...fund their own military, independently support their massive immigrant population, rebuild a space program (if they were so inclined), fund their own schools, back their own currency, support their own insurance industry (the get hit by some pretty strong storms), fund their schools, register their over 60 folk, guard their borders. It would be odd to look at a map and see Texas as it's own nation.

Texas already fund it's own schools, we have the national guard, and funding such a small force isn't that hard. Even America itself can't maintain the immigrant population, but we would come up with a decent plan. Insurance industry takes care of itself, we have no need for a space program, and we can charge America to keep it going. Currency issue would be tricky.

And isnt hard to guard a border when you have a few gun crazies in the country.

 

[spooger]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right – a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit." – Abraham Lincoln, speech in Congress January 1848

 

[NineOfClubs]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Texas does not have a diverse economy. I am taking a class specifically discussing economic innovation. The top 10 states with diverse economies are...

1. MA
2. CT
3. NJ
4. PA
5. CA
6. NY
7. MN
8. IL
9. VA
10. NC

This is based upon the 2008 study of the Innovation Economy Index. My prof heads the board so she clearly knows what she is talking about.

http://www.masstech.org/institute/index2008-21909.pdf

Maybe your class and prof defines "diversity" differently than I might.

But where are the oil fields and gas wells in MA, NJ, CT ?

Not to mention the herds of cattle, the vast regions producing grain and food stuffs.

I'm sure those states, and the others listed, have intellectually produced products (as does TX, with it's own high tech and space industry), but I doubt they could survive a blockade, their citizens would starve in weeks. Or freeze to death in their unheated homes.

 

[GL]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

hehehe...

AUSTIN — If they liked him any more, maybe they’d take away his parking space, too.

The Texas House Friday voted to drain most of GOP Gov. Rick Perry’s office budget and instead spend the money on community mental health crisis services and veterans’ services.

The move, which came during House debate on a $178.4 billion proposal for the two-year period starting Sept. 1, immediately drew a reference to Perry’s recent comments about Texas’ ability to secede from the union. The comments have drawn national attention and some lawmakers’ ire.

“Two days after the governor threatens secession, the House zeroes out his budget,” said Rep. Richard Raymond, D-Laredo, House Appropriations Committee vice chairman.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/state/House_votes_to_nearly_empty_Perrys_office_budget.html

 

[GL]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Goodie

I'll take away his parking space, too.

me too!!

you know what really pisses me off about him?

he cuts the dps' budget so they don't have enough men watching the governor's mansion and sure enough some dip shit burns the joint down. now the governor has to live in a really fancy home in one of the toniest neighborhoods in austin and we have to foot the bill. a bill that will ultimately cost us more than those dps budget cuts.

god help me i hate that fucker.

i really, really do.

 

[GL]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

^ i saw that and yeah!

perry was fine with taking all of the other stimulus money except that set aside for unemployment benefits. this state already has a crappy unemployment system to begin with. for heaven's sake, he just does not give a shit for the average joe's in this state. he only looks out for the wealthy, the elite and whatever corporate fat cat that wants to park his fat nalgas here.

 

[EwanSF]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Once you're part of a union, especialy one such as your own, it'd be insanity to leave it. You'd have to deal with every logistical nightmare under the sun. It's something my country faces not just in the hypothetical sense, but in the very litteral. So, those of you with the go it alone mentality, get a fucking grip on reality and relinquish the utopian pipe-dreams, it aint never gonna happen, and if it does, yer fucked.

 

[Apollo]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

BW...TX schools receive no national money? Your national guard could protect the state from an invading force? America can't control the illegal immigrant population, you're right...so how would TX handle it on it's own? The insurance industry almost collapsed after the hurricanes in FL...the govt' had to assist it. TX has hurricanes. TX wouldn't run the USA's space program, they don't own it, we do...we'd dismantle it in TX and continue in FL, CA and NM. TX based companies like Radio Shack, AT&T, Southwest and JC Pennies could kiss a majority of their business good bye...not to mention the import taxes.

I know for the Houston Independent School District, we used to get most of our money from property taxes, but they recently changed the law to get the money from a different type of tax. I forget whicch,

I already said we would have problems with immigration, but it wouldn't destroy the placce.

I live in Houston, I know all about Hurricanes thanks, and that is what the government (Texas) would be for.

Already said we have no need for a space program here. Either that, or we would charge the US if they didn't feel like moving all the shit to Florida or California.

Those companies you mentioned would continue to operate in Texas with little problem. I don't get your point with this one?

We are a coast state, and we now have one of the bussiest ports in America because of Hurricane Katrina. Texas would be chargeing the import taxes.

 

[ZeroPoint84]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

lol sure, let them secede, then we wouldn't have to worry about students throughout the country being taught bad science just because Texas has fools on its school boards.

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

lol sure, let them secede, then we wouldn't have to worry about students throughout the country being taught bad science just because Texas has fools on its school boards.

apparently they are being taught the civil war was not over slavery and how their exflag is now a heritage symbol

 

[Apollo]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

apparently they are being taught the civil war was not over slavery and how their exflag is now a heritage symbol

The Civil War wasn't originally about slavery, it was about states' rights and Lincoln being elected, later did it become about slavery.

 

[Apollo]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

lol sure, let them secede, then we wouldn't have to worry about students throughout the country being taught bad science just because Texas has fools on its school boards.

It isnt Texas teaching bad science, you need to look over at Kentucky for that shit.

Nobody in Texas will ever allow intelligent design/crap to be taught.

 

[JSB_01]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

hehehe...
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/state/House_votes_to_nearly_empty_Perrys_office_budget.html

That's actually really funny! Sucks to be him!
But, really, he deserves it. We don't need to add to the negative perception of Texas.