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Should Texas secede from the U.S.?

Should Texas secede from the U.S.?


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Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

yeah but our governor is a frakking piece of shit!

i wouldn't take a damn thing he says seriously unless he's talking about hair care products. 'sides, he's just playing to his base. the frakking tool box. :grrr:

and no, i don't think we should secede from the union. that's just bunk.
 
Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

No. It seems he's doing what we call "letting a test-balloon fly" in Holland. I'm sure he plans on doing no such thing.
 
Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Treason may be a harsh word to use but that is basically what he is saying.
 
Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Treason may be a harsh word to use but that is basically what he is saying.

It's not treason if Texas merely exercises its legal right. (Not that I would know if that right actually exists or not).
 
Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

And yet people still reelect him.

that's because we're a red state where the majority in power are bible thumping, gun toting idiot red-necks who can't see beyond the narrow vision of a friday night football game.

sorry. i get pissed off whenever perry turns up.

the thing is we didn't always vote republican. a few years back this state was a middle of the road and democratic. in fact perry's predecessor, governor george w. bush beat democrat ann richards for the office.

lord bless me... ann richards.
 
Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

The word is "secede."
 
Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

No. And as conservative as Texas is, I don't think it'll ever happen. And since GL mentioned Ann Richards....we need to get another one like her in office!
 
Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

While I'm sure Texas is filled with lots of wonderful people, (many of them are here at JUB) the state's public image has always been a bit obnoxious.

"Don't mess with Texas" is the sort of expression that makes people in the other 49 states roll their eyes.

Country music has a lot to do with that, too. "If It Wasn't For Texas", "God Bless Texas". I mean really, shouldn't it be God bless the country ? Or heck, maybe the world ? Why do so many Texans appear to act so superior to the rest of us ?

George W. didn't exactly help matters, either.

Now this succession thing ?

Enough, already. We need to bond together now more than ever.
 
Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Oh hell yeah...please....go. What a hoot, take them up on it and see how fast they change their moronic tune.
 
Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

You have to give the dude his due.

He knows how to keep in the headlines just as his fellow governors from the states of Louisianna, South Carolina, and, you betcha, Alaska.
 
Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

I think only two states have diverse enough economies to be independent countries, California and Texas.

Texas was a country once (as was California, I believe), and though it's been disputed by some, many say they joined the Union with the proviso that they could leave it at any time. Well, they did part ways once during the War Between the States--and after the war, I believe, it was considered that that one time is all they were entitled to.

Anyway, as I understood the governor, he was saying that, if things got worse (vis a vis an oppressive Federal government), states might want to leave the Union. And why not? Remember that book (or were there more than one) from a few years back, the one that postulated several regionally "sensible" countries comprised of different parts of the US and Canada? I think one author put my state into a new country called Cascadia, along with Washington State and British Columbia.
 
Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

ah...but maybe they wouldn't have a president, maybe they would go back to a constitutional monarchy, and therefore Chuck Norris would be king. But yeah Secession is technically treason. It was treason when the confederate states seceded and the implication while not treason, the action would be.

On whose authority is it treason?
 
Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Country music has a lot to do with that, too. "If It Wasn't For Texas", "God Bless Texas". I mean really, shouldn't it be God bless the country ? Or heck, maybe the world ? Why do so many Texans appear to act so superior to the rest of us ?

Oh, sure. Blame it on Texas. Don't blame it on me.
 
Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

^Well, I've been to several poorly rated cities, states and countries and found them to be totally delightful places, with a quality of life that dry facts and figures would never denote....

P.S. I'd personally refrain from using the term "shithole" in describing any place I hadn't experienced. But maybe that's just me.
 
Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Sedition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition

Sedition is a term of law which refers to covert conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority as tending toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.

Because sedition is typically considered a subversive act, the overt acts that may be prosecutable under sedition laws vary from one legal code to another. Where those legal codes have a traceable history, there is also a record of the change of definition for what constituted sedition at certain points in history. This overview has served to develop a sociological definition of sedition as well, within study of persecution.

The difference between sedition and treason consists primarily in the subjective ultimate object of the violation to the public peace. Sedition does not consist of levying war against a government nor of adhering to its enemies, giving enemies aid, and giving enemies comfort. Nor does it consist, in most representative democracies, of peaceful protest against a government, nor of attempting to change the government by democratic means (such as direct democracy or constitutional convention).

Put simply, sedition is the stirring up of rebellion against the government in power. Treason is the violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or state and has to do with giving aid to enemies or levying war. Sedition is more about encouraging the people to rebel, where treason is actually betraying the country. Sedition laws somewhat equate to Terrorism and Public Order laws.

Treason:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason

Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour.
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To avoid the abuses of the English law (including executions by Henry VIII of those who criticized his repeated marriages), treason was specifically defined in the United States Constitution, the only crime so defined. Article III Section 3 delineates treason as follows:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

However, Congress has, at times, passed statutes creating related offenses which undermine the government or the national security, such as sedition in the 1798 Alien and Sedition Acts, or espionage and sedition in the 1917 Espionage Act, which do not require the testimony of two witnesses and have a much broader definition than Article Three treason. For example, some well-known spies have been convicted of espionage rather than treason.
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The conservatives and their supporters had no problem labeling anyone who questioned G.W.Bush as a traitor...they really do think they are exceptional. Just poor losers and silly. Sedition is a crime...call it States Rights if you must (shades of slavery) but the needs of the many outweigh the few, even in Texas. This is little more than a temper tantrum.
 
Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

That's fine and I understand what you're saying, however anecdotal evidence doesn't really do a good job of refuting statistics and ratings except for that one person. Data isn't gathered out of nothing, and can prove to be useful in forming conclusions on a variety of topics.

I'm sure there are places in Texas that would register as "totally delightful" ...to visit.
 
Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Yes.

Even here in marvelously liberal Oregon (with the highest unemployment rate in the country) construction projects are continuing, certain businesses are thriving, it's still difficult to get a table or a drink in many cafes and bars, friends are making more money than ever, life can be good. Even if it isn't, statistically.

Speaking of statistics, I did a quick search of suicide rates and found Oregon at 10th (no surprise, you can get a doctor to assist you), Washington at 21, and Texas coming in at 38. What, if anything, should we make of these stats? Is Oregon a "shithole" too?
 
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