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On-Topic should the President have the power to ignore laws?

Of course "What will help get them elected" is ultimately a matter of judgment on the part of the electorate. Or in other words, democratic accountability.
 
bankside said:
Of course "What will help get them elected" is ultimately a matter of judgment on the part of the electorate. Or in other words, democratic accountability.
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But it may have no relation to the good of the country. The policies which will bring big money from the labor bosses and trial lawyers may be harmful to the country.
 
Benvolio said:
PHP:

The Presidents* power to pardon and reprieve is in the Constitution, Art II. Sec2.
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Ford pardoned Nixon. How did that work out?

*Should be President's. Here on earth, many of us use the possessive.
 
Benvolio said:
But it may have no relation to the good of the country. The policies which will bring big money from the labor bosses and trial lawyers may be harmful to the country.
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Are you in favour of campaign contribution limits?
 
So the money shouldn't be capped if it's going to YOUR side?

HAHAHAHAHAH! I love that you can't even PRETEND to be rational!!
 
If we're thinking of what the president did recently WRT immigrants, it's arguable that he did not violate either law or Constitution. As chief executive, he has responsibility for oversight of all federal agencies. Oversight includes the setting of priorities, and in essence this decision is a matter of deciding for the appropriate agencies that for the next couple of years, the matter of prosecuting & deporting these young people who were in reality effectively kidnapped and brought to this country has a priority of zero.
 
It has always worked in the past. There has never been a time when businesses and corporations did not influence the government, and we had the greatest economy in history. Liberals want to stifle that influence to give them a free hand to impose socialism and worse.
 
loki81 said:
not that I'm one to agree with Benvolio, but I miss where he said that money should be capped if it's going to Democrats but uncapped if it's going to Republicans.
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In the previous post he labeled policies that would bring money from "trial lawyers" and "labor bosses" as harmful (because they support Democrats) but campaign limits on corporations are bad (because they support Republicans.)

I wasn't speaking strictly of campaign caps but I should have been more clear in my wording.
 
It is not inconsistent to say that there should not be limits and to say that policies which attract contributions from union bosses and trial lawyers may be harmful. Not everything potentially harmful shoul be illegal.
 
Benvolio, when will you address the fact that all government structures like fire department, police force etc. are socialism?

Or will you finally deign to tell us exactly what is socialism to you? I admit to morbid curiosity.
 
Rolyo85 said:
Benvolio, when will you address the fact that all government structures like fire department, police force etc. are socialism?

Or will you finally deign to tell us exactly what is socialism to you? I admit to morbid curiosity.
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Socialism is anything the Democrats want, even if the Republicans thought it up.
 
Socialism Is government ownership OR CONTROL of the means of production. The critical point is that it stifles the ability to innovate and the discipline inherent in the need to profit.
 
Police are not socialism because it is an inherent exercise of governmental power. Water, sewer, electric power are known as natural monopolies, immune from competition, and therefore must be controlled. Fire protection must be universal and paid by the public because it must be mandatory for protection of the public. These are not socialism for the reasons stated.
The critical thing is the other production must be free to innovate and compete to bring progress and efficiency. It is that freedom which has brought mankind from one room hovels to our present standard of living, and is people working hard to create a better life for themselves and their families--liberals read greed here---which has made the difference. Government control has been tried and it does not work. FREEDOM is what works and is anathema to liberals.
 
Benvolio said:
Police are not socialism because it is an inherent exercise of governmental power. Water, sewer, electric power are known as natural monopolies, immune from competition, and therefore must be controlled. Fire protection must be universal and paid by the public because it must be mandatory for protection of the public. These are not socialism for the reasons stated.
The critical thing is the other production must be free to innovate and compete to bring progress and efficiency. It is that freedom which has brought mankind from one room hovels to our present standard of living, and is people working hard to create a better life for themselves and their families--liberals read greed here---which has made the difference. Government control has been tried and it does not work. FREEDOM is what works and is anathema to liberals.
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So you are an authoritarian, right out in the open now!

Government has no "inherent power" -- period. It has only what the citizens loan to it.

Water isn't a natural monopoly, nor is electricity. Sewer may qualify, but that doesn't mean it has to be a government function.

Then you commit the "only government power is bad" fallacy. ANY concentration of power sufficient to get away with coercion is a danger to liberty.

And "if government control has been tried and does not work", please explain all the European economies which have competed so well with us, some even outdoing the U.S. in productivity.
 
Read again. I said it is an inherent exercise of governmental power, not the power is some how inherent. The difference is than when the police act in the scope of their duties they are exercising governmental power, delegated to them from the city and the state, and ultimately from the State Constitution. The power to arrest, to direct traffic, to exercise search warrants are all governmental powers delegated to the police.
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Benvolio said:
Read again. I said it is an inherent exercise of governmental power, not the power is some how inherent. The difference is than when the police act in the scope of their duties they are exercising governmental power, delegated to them from the city and the state, and ultimately from the State Constitution. The power to arrest, to direct traffic, to exercise search warrants are all governmental powers delegated to the police.
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Well when a soviet bureaucrat set the price of canned peas he's acting with the inherent exercise of government power too.
 
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