Should've the gorilla been shot?

[zoltanspawn]

Not true. Zoos routinely are involved in breeding programs and store genetic material.

Already treated this subject in an earlier post.

I guess from your broken link that you are trying to make the argument that our "sentience" endows us with a moral platform to sacrifice other species to the point of extinction?? Sorry, but I am slow, and need your treatment spelled out for me.

"Storing genetic material" and "breeding programs" are shitty substitutes for real conservation. Robust populations flourishing in the wild is the only real way to maintain complex ecosystems. Antique imaginations about the sanctity of human life should be retired in the face of our ongoing exterminations.

 

[Alnitak]

I guess from your broken link that you are trying to make the argument that our "sentience" endows us with a moral platform to sacrifice other species to the point of extinction??

No.

"Storing genetic material" and "breeding programs" are shitty substitutes for real conservation. Robust populations flourishing in the wild is the only real way to maintain complex ecosystems. Antique imaginations about the sanctity of human life should be retired in the face of our ongoing exterminations.

Not going to happen.

5 billion species were gone before the first human breathed life.

 

[kallipolis]

It seems likely that the gorilla was shot simply because the zoo feared litigation, which it has probably got coming as the child could have died from the fall alone. The blame game involving the parents, and the zoo will probably remain an important news headline for some time.

Worth noting that at least 60 people were shot, six fatally, over the Memorial Day weekend in Chicago.

 

[eastofeden]

Man you have got to blow up a brown paper bag. I'm serious.

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I'll pass...but thanks for the response.

 

[rareboy]

Should they have shot the Gorilla?

No.

 

[Kabluey]

Should they have shot the Gorilla?

No.

No.
But the zoo would probably find itself shut down if they didn't choose the kid over the gorilla.

 

[eastofeden]

^^Who says they still won't be sued by the family?

My bet...they will sue as soon as a lawyer suggests it....

People like that mother who take no responsibility for their own shit are just the type of people to sue for everything....

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

But that is all life. Every species would dominate if it could do so. That's evolution of which we are the pinnacle. To suggest that humans are evil, while suggesting that viruses, parasites, and predators eliminating other species is just nature, is inconsistent.

Which is the funny part really, humans have no problem with keeping control of a population of species when it comes to the possibility of a species overpopulating, but we don't do it with ourselves.

Either way this is another Animal that didn't need to die but ended up so because of human incompetence.

 

[gsdx]

As wildlife experts have commented, it was really too risky to the boy to try the tranquilizing route. Any form of attack on the gorilla (and a dart is one) would have most likely provoked some sort of reaction of violence.

That was my thought, too. It would have been a better thing to do, perhaps, and I've seen articles about protesters arguing that tranques should have been used, but those people probably haven't seen wildlife videos of wild animals, especially powerful animals like Harambe, don't just get stuck with the needle and fall down. It takes time and the animal goes nuts. It takes time for those tranquillisers to work. The boy would have been dead long before that.

 

[Kabluey]

^^Who says they still won't be sued by the family?

My bet...they will sue as soon as a lawyer suggests it....

People like that mother who take no responsibility for their own shit are just the type of people to sue for everything....

True.
I have no idea about the mother, so who knows.

 

[Telstra]

Why can't they use tranquilizer gun ?
Zoo business should have these guns prepared

 

[eastofeden]

True.
I have no idea about the mother, so who knows.

For me...I would just love to hear someone say for once..."I was an irresponsible fuck..there is no excuse for what I did"....instead of making excuses....

Only then would I trust the person.....I think people who avoid taking responsibility for anything are generally treacherous with fragile egos and would rather blame someone else for their own actions....

 

[Telstra]

I am annoyed when anyone start to thank god first and ignore the people who actually rescue them.

""God protected my child until the authorities were able to get to him. My son is safe and was able to walk away with a concussion and a few scrapes ... no broken bones or internal injuries.

 

[nycguydowntown]

It was certainly neglectful. I've never raised a child so I can only imagine how difficult it is to know at all times the precise location of one's children every second of every hour, 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

One report said in the 30 years of the zoo--no other child was able to break into the area----so clearly it isn't an every day thing---so parents should be to blame.

 

[GayDude69]

It's sad they had to kill the animal but it's the parents fault should be watching kids all the time

 

[nycguydowntown]

It's sad they had to kill the animal but it's the parents fault should be watching kids all the time

CNN says the police are investigating the parents---but as someone said here---parents will probably sue the zoo. Part of america thinking that sucks big time.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Why can't they use tranquilizer gun ?
Zoo business should have these guns prepared

The argument here is that using a tranquilizer gun wouldn't immediately insure the safety of the child, because of the size of the gorilla it would take time for it to doze off. Because of that there is the risk of pissing off the Gorilla and it most definitely hurting the child. It is a shitty tragedy no matter what they ended up doing, either the child or the gorilla would have most likely been dead in any scenario.

Outside of the fact, you know, the Mother keeping a close eye or holding the child's hand where the child wouldn't go far in an extremely crowded place where something like this could easily happen.

 

[gsdx]

Why can't they use tranquilizer gun ?
Zoo business should have these guns prepared

They undoubtedly have tranquilliser guns, but, as I explained earlier, they probably would not have worked:

That was my thought, too. It would have been a better thing to do, perhaps, and I've seen articles about protesters arguing that tranques should have been used, but those people probably haven't seen wildlife videos of wild animals, especially powerful animals like Harambe, don't just get stuck with the needle and fall down. It takes time and the animal goes nuts. It takes time for those tranquillisers to work. The boy would have been dead long before that.

 

[zoltanspawn]

That was my thought, too. It would have been a better thing to do, perhaps, and I've seen articles about protesters arguing that tranques should have been used, but those people probably haven't seen wildlife videos of wild animals, especially powerful animals like Harambe, don't just get stuck with the needle and fall down. It takes time and the animal goes nuts. It takes time for those tranquillisers to work. The boy would have been dead long before that.

Or they could have tranquilized Harambe and kept their rifles handy in case the sedation didn't work. The gorilla had already tolerated the hysteria of the crowd for several minutes. A few minutes more are entirely justified if it meant protecting the gorilla.

And it's worth counter-balancing the suggestions in this thread that Harambe was behaving in a threatening manner. In fact, there are plenty of experts who note Harambe's protective nature. He dragged the child in response to the idiot screams from the spectators, not as a display of aggression to the kid. He held the kid's hand, and was shot dead sitting quietly next to him.

 

[sixthson]

It's so easy to "know" the right thing to do when the responsibility and consequences for decisions don't fall on you.