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American College of Physicians Endorses Single-Payer
Yesterday the prestigious American College of Physicians (ACP), the nation's second largest medical association (124,000 members), endorsed single payer national health insurance as "one pathway" to universal coverage. This is the first time the group has endorsed single payer and represents a huge step forward in the movement for fundamental health care reform.
The ACP's decision followed a careful evaluation of lessons from other nations' health systems. The central lesson, they said in an article in the Annals of Internal Medicine, is the need for the United States to provide universal health insurance coverage. While the ACP's own proposal is based on a "pluralistic" model, they urged lawmakers to seriously consider a single payer system as one way to provide universal access to health care. They noted that single payer systems have the advantage of being "more equitable, have lower administrative costs, have lower per capita health care expenditures, have higher levels of patient satisfaction, and have higher performance on measures of quality and access than systems using private health insurance."
In our estimation, this development changes the terms of engagement within the medical profession and in the larger public debate. The steady "legitimation" of our single payer national health insurance alternative takes a giant step forward with this declaration from the ACP. It is incumbent on PNHP to make this heartening development part of the public discourse as soon and as loudly as possible!
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Just because you have insurance, doesn't mean you'll get the care you need

In a stunning turn around, insurance giant CIGNA has capitulated to community demands (and protests that the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee helped to generate) and agreed to a critically needed liver transplant for Nataline Sarkisyan, a 17-year-old girl in the intensive care unit at UCLA Medical Center. Unfortunately, Nataline passed away yesterday just after six o'clock on the same day of the massive protest.

RN's Statement on Death of Nataline Sarkisyan: 'CIGNA Should Have Listened to Her Doctors And Approved the Transplant a Week Ago'
The California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee today blasted insurance giant CIGNA for failing to approve a liver transplant one week earlier for 17-year-old Nataline Sarkisyan, who tragically died last night just hours after CIGNA relented and agreed to the procedure following a massive national outcry.

On Dec. 11, four leading physicians, including the surgical director of the Pediatric Liver Transplant Program at UCLA, wrote to CIGNA urging the company to reverse its denial. The physicians said that Nataline "currently meets criteria to be listed as Status 1A" for a transplant. They also challenged CIGNA's denial which the company said occurred because their benefit plan "does not cover experimental, investigational and unproven services," to which the doctors replied, "Nataline's case is in fact none of the above."

"So what happened between December 11, when CIGNA denied the transplant, and December 20 when they approved? A huge outpouring of protest and CIGNA's public humiliation. Why didn't they just listen to the medical professionals at the bedside in the first place?" asked Geri Jenkins, RN, a member of the CNA/NNOC Council of Presidents who works in a transplant unit at the University of California San Diego Medical Center.

On Thursday, CIGNA was bombarded with phone calls to its offices across the country while a rally sponsored by CNA/NNOC, with the substantial help of the local Armenian community, drew 150 people to the Glendale offices of CIGNA – all of which produced the turnaround by CIGNA to finally reverse its prior denial of care.

CNA/NNOC Executive Director Rose Ann DeMoro called the final outcome "a horrific tragedy that demonstrates what is so fundamentally wrong with our health care system today. Insurance companies have a stranglehold on our health. Their first priority is to make profits for their shareholders – and the way they do that is by denying care."

"It is simply not possible to organize major protests every time a multi-billion corporation like CIGNA denies care that has been recommended by a physician," DeMoro said. "Having insurance is not the same as receiving needed care. We need a fundamental change in our healthcare system that takes control away from the insurance giants and places it where it belongs – in the hands of the medical professionals, the patients, and their families."

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Thank you Pretty...ya know that word just does not do ya justice. How about...BeyondPreTTy :)

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lopez2jan02,1,156338.column?coll=la-headlines-california


Take a deep breath, and read
January 2, 2008


I was on my way to the Encino home of a 10-year-old boy named Preston, but I could have gone in any direction for the same kind of story.

Ever since I wrote a few years ago about a San Gabriel Valley woman who had breast cancer and couldn't get health insurance (her family resorted to a yard sale to pay her medical bills), I've gotten a steady trickle of similar tales. Last week, I had one involving an oncologist whose cancer treatment is not being covered because his health insurance company says his illness is a pre-existing condition.

Preston doesn't have cancer, but he was born with cystic fibrosis. And the cost of the medicine that keeps him breathing just shot up like a rocket, thanks to an insurance company decision I'm still trying to decipher.

I'll get to the details in a moment, but first, some political context.

The last place to expect a workable healthcare reform proposal is in a presidential campaign, and this one will be no exception in the end. There's way too much money riding on keeping things as they are.

Here in California, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Assembly Speaker Fabian Nuñez would have you believe they stepped into the leadership void with last month's health insurance-for-all proposal.

But all they've done is come up with a shaky idea to require nearly everyone to buy medical insurance from the same companies we've all become so fed up with. Employers and hospitals would have to pick up part of the tab, and there might be a new tax on cigarettes to provide some support. But even if the vague and dubious funding proposals come to pass, there would be little or nothing in the way of additional controls on insurance companies in terms of what they cover or what they charge.

State Sen. Sheila Kuehl, one of the legislature's strongest advocates of healthcare reform, eviscerated the Schwarzenegger-Nuñez package in a Dec. 17 analysis you can read on her website ( www.dist23.casen.). She said if it came to pass, and insurance companies were forced to take on everyone who is now uninsured, premiums for the rest of us would balloon.

"And it seems to me that they will probably have to resort to more and more denials of care," said Kuehl. Her single-payer proposal would take insurance companies and their profit machines out of the equation, but it has languished for all the predictable reasons, including the huge influence of the insurance lobby.

I began telling Kuehl about Preston and his family's issues with their insurer, but halfway through I stopped myself, figuring she's heard hundreds of similar stories.

"No," she said. "It's in the thousands."

Preston, a cute, curly-haired lad with bright blue eyes, leads a relatively normal life, albeit with strict dietary restrictions and 20 pills a day. He showed me how he straps on a percussive vest twice daily. The vest is attached to a pump, and forced air makes it vibrate roughly, loosening the congestion in his lungs. That and an inhaled medication called Pulmozyme keep him breathing.

But last month, the cost of that Pulmozyme blasted through the ozone.

It had been running them $30 a month.

Suddenly it was $784.

"They never called," Marla, who takes care of Preston and 5-year-old Tyler, said of Blue Cross.

"They never talked to our doctor," said Jeff, a self-employed financial investor.

With no warning, the insurance company decided to pick up less of the cost, leaving Preston's family to come up with an extra $9,000 a year for his medicine.

If a cheaper generic were available, they'd gladly switch. But they said there is no substitute for Pulmozyme, an enzyme-based medication that controls mucus secretions and was developed specifically for cystic fibrosis patients. Their doctor confirmed this.

"It was a big surprise," Eithne Maclaughlin, of Childrens Hospital Los Angeles, said of the sudden price inflation. "And it's very upsetting."
 
Our health care system is failing.

It denies care to many in need and often leaves families - even those with coverage - in financial ruin.

Huge administrative costs and profits divert resources from care to bureaucrats and investors.

Insurers' dictates and the pressures of competition and profit threaten medicine's most sacred values.


 
For some reason,people love to give Michael Moore grief for his films,but as a healthcare professional,I know how fucked up 'health care' in America is...

We are far too rich a country to have the half-assed medical care that people are offered here.

For the record,I know that healthcare in France and Canada is not perfect but at the very least people don't have to worry about going to a doctor for fear of paying off a hospital bill for the rest of their life.

There is truly something wrong with our system and I don't know what if anything can be done to fix it.
 
Something is wrong when people have to die because they cannot afford healthcare.

I myself don't have any healthcare whatsoever right now. (Or for the past year, or the near future that I can see). Am I scare shitless something will pop up wrong with me? Yep!

At least I'm in good health and young, so right now I'm not too worried, but it's either car insurance or health care. I can get into legal trouble when I don't have car insurance, but not health care. Guess my car is more important than I am! :rolleyes:

Also they make you pay for the ambulance too. So if something were to happen to me, I would second guess calling 911 because if it was just a temporary thing, I would/could not pay for the ambulance. Gotta love the US of A! Oh how I so want to leave. :(
 
The reality is that most people without health insurance can afford it, but choose not to buy it. Sure they complain they can't afford it, but drive new cars and keep Starbucks in business.

I'm sorry, but I find that statement very offensive. Try living extremely under poverty level and having to get loans from relatives to fix a money draining car ($700 8 months ago, $1150 a month ago... timing belt and other loads of crap) that you cannot afford to have, yet not afford to not have. Unless you are in their/my situation, or have been, you have no right to make that claim. Not only that, but there is a lot like that which I do not wish to discuss here.


The problem right now is that people who can actually afford health and don't buy insurance, can often lose everything they have if a major illness occurs. These people are gambling; some will be winners and some losers.

I don't see how that's a problem when you have nothing it lose. :)
 
PLEASE NOTE:

Even if you have health insurance,

please do not assume that you will be able to get the care you need when you need it. Please do not assume that your insurance will pay.

Why do we continue pay for insurance that will not necessarily cover us properly when we need it? For those of us that are fortunate enough to have health insurance, we are paying money to insurance companies that will kill us off if it is cheaper to do so.

These asshole insurance companies need to be kicked out of the government.

 
So I was at dinner this evening with some friends. One of them has a boyfriend that works at a county hospital in los angeles. His boyfriend has told him that the system is just falling apart right now. There are no beds available. People with serious heart problems are having to wait over a day just to get an xray.

They are currently having meetings to try and determine what to do. The most popular thought right now is to not accept people without insurance. Even if they do that they do not have enough beds.

We are talking about a county hospital not a private hospital. This would mean that people without insurance would not get care.

It is just so inhumane! At what point are we going to say this is not ok? What is it going to take?

:help:

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I keep waiting for the life expectancy in the U.S. to begin plummeting. Sick people are becoming disposable trash in this country. Didn't one healthcare CEO just get paid something like $1.7 BILLION last year?

None of that money goes where it's really needed.
 
Here's a video that illustrates my points in earlier posts about the flaws in the Canadian health care system. My family has suffered similar problems with the decline in health care availability since they went to universal health care.



I want universal health care in the U.S., but we have to be sure to have a system that is better than what is in place in Canada. We need checks and balances to be sure the system is accountable for providing a high standard of care.
 
Here's a video that illustrates my points in earlier posts about the flaws in the Canadian health care system. My family has suffered similar problems with the decline in health care availability since they went to universal health care.



I want universal health care in the U.S., but we have to be sure to have a system that is better than what is in place in Canada. We need checks and balances to be sure the system is accountable for providing a high standard of care.

I agree that long waiting periods are unacceptable. There must be something put into the policies to ensure that people are seen quickly, especially in critical situations.

The quality of the management team is vital to good health care. And maximizing profits must be pulled out of the equation. Maximizing profits has nothing to do with making sure that people get good care.
 
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-klein24feb24,0,7095134.story



From the Los Angeles Times
Not-their-fault insurers

Giving you a raw deal on healthcare is what those firms are supposed to do.
By Ezra Klein

February 24, 2008

'The state's largest for-profit health insurer is asking California physicians to look for conditions it can use to cancel their new patients' medical coverage," said the first line of an expose in the Los Angeles Times earlier this month. The subject was Blue Cross' practice of enlisting doctors to help them deny the claims of sick individuals.

What's strange, however, is that everyone acted like the insurer was doing something wrong. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger accused them of asking doctors to "rat out the patients." Hillary Clinton gave the company a similar lashing, in the same tone of moral outrage used by most of those quoted in the article. Within a few days, the policy was ended.

But Blue Cross officials weren't doing anything wrong. They were doing exactly what we've asked them to do: They were following the incentives of the modern insurance market.

It's a common complaint that health insurers don't actually offer "insurance." As generally defined, insurance is a form of risk management that individuals use to protect themselves against unpredictable loss -- a car accident, say, or a house fire. Health insurance, by contrast, is a form of risk pooling that individuals use to smooth out lifetime healthcare costs. Heath insurance does not insure us against risks so much as it insulates us against costs. We pay regular premiums so we don't have to directly pay for irregular care.

Not all of us, however, make this deal with insurers. About 50 million Americans are uninsured, and tens of millions more are underinsured. There's no law that says we all must have insurance or that insurance companies must agree to cover us. Given that, it's natural that insurers -- which are, after all, for-profit companies, not government agencies or public trusts -- turn their attention to making deals with the most profitable among us and avoiding deals (or finding ways to break contracts) with the least profitable.

That's exactly what we would expect them to do. We are using them to minimize our risk, and they are selective about us to minimize theirs. So is it any surprise that they compete over which of them can be the most sophisticated about cherry-picking the healthy from the unhealthy (stories abound of insurers in offices with a "broken elevator," so only those who can walk 10 flights of stairs can apply) and which is the most adept at canceling policies once they become unprofitable?

This is the competition within our insurance industry, and it is not good for us. That can be a bit counterintuitive in a country like ours, where all competition is thought to benefit the consumer. But just as competition among drug dealers does not aid the neighborhood, competition among insurers does not aid the ill. It might if they were competing to deliver better care to the sick, rather than trying to figure out how to avoid delivering any care to the sick at all. But they're not.

Indeed, their inattention to actual care is startling. For instance, the U.S., for all its technological advancement, has among the lowest adoption of cost-saving, care-improving health information technology in the world. That is the fault, in part, of our insurers, who have not forced its adoption among care providers.

In the current system, insurance companies add negative value -- which is to say, they make healthcare worse, not better. And here's why: It is actually against their interest for insurers to compete on giving us the best care. It's not simply that they're not doing it, but given the structure of the marketplace, they shouldn't do it.

Imagine that Insurer X works with its providers to develop the best diabetes protocols in the country. And it begins advertising this fact. What happens on Day Two? It's flooded with individuals suffering from diabetes, or individuals who fear they will one day be suffering from diabetes. These people, in the current system, are a bad deal. Not only is it nearly impossible to insure them at a profit, but pooling their costs (which is what insurers do, after all) raises premiums for all the insurer's other customers.

Over time, that encourages healthy folks contracting with that insurer to quit the pool and go find a cheaper deal with an insurer that caters to healthier individuals, which forces the insurer to raise premiums yet again, driving out more healthy folks, which forces it to raise premiums again, which drives out more healthy folks, and so on. It's what industry experts call an insurance death spiral, and it ends with the collapse of the insurer.

Given those incentives, insurers cannot be expected to compete on the basis of better care, because if they encouraged better care, all that would happen is they would attract worse deals. Which is why, in the current system, insurers make things worse.

But it doesn't have to be that way. If insurers existed in a market in which they had to compete on delivering better care, rather than competing on developing better techniques to deny care, we'd be far better off.

Here are the principles such a market would require:

1) Universality: Insurers cannot compete effectively unless everyone is in the pool. If the healthy can leave -- if they can decide insurance is a bad deal until they get a little sicker and a little older -- then insurers simply will have to compete to attract the healthiest, which means offering the lowest costs, which means insuring the fewest sick people. The system has to be universal.

2) An end to cherry-picking: Insurers cannot be allowed, before offering insurance, to use demographic sub-slicing to cherry-pick the market. That means no more judging individuals based on preexisting histories, no more use of complex formulas around age and income and race and region in an effort to identify those who might someday get sick. Insurers should have to offer insurance to anyone who wants it for the same price. No exceptions.

3) Risk adjustment: Merely having everyone in the system won't be enough, nor will forcing insurers to do away with their most delicate cherry-picking tools. Insurers will just become sophisticated at advertising on G4 Tech TV, in snowboarding magazines and in Whole Foods -- in places, in other words, where the young and the healthy gather. So on top of the universal system and the community rating, you need risk adjustment, which means either that insurers are reimbursed more for taking on sicker patients, or (my preferred method, and the one used in Germany) insurers with particularly healthy pools pay into a central fund that redistributes to insurers with less healthy pools. At the end of the day, it has to be as profitable for an insurer to insure a sick person as a healthy one.

4) Benefit floors: There has to be a minimum level of comprehensiveness below which insurance plans cannot dip. Otherwise, they'll just sell the healthy on plans that don't cover anything and so are very cheap. That's just another way of pulling in the healthy and keeping out the sick. Creating a floor ends their ability to segment the market by offering less value.

5) Information transparency: Quick: If you wanted to buy some health insurance, where would you go? How would you compare plans? There needs to be a single place, or a set of them, where individuals can shop for insurance. This is hard stuff to find and harder yet to understand, and real effort needs to go into constructing an easily accessible marketplace that customers can effectively navigate. And within that space, it needs to be easy for individuals to compare insurers on plan comprehensiveness, price, outcomes, etc.

That means we need a marketplace where folks can go to shop for insurers, and they need to have standardized comparisons or nonpartisan rating authorities providing information they can use.

It's not impossible to imagine a scenario in which insurers actually compete to offer better service; in which the marketplace really does work to the consumers' benefit. That could take a million different forms, from personalized care coordinators to electronic records to online access to your health information to negotiated discounts on gym memberships.

But none of this will happen as long as insurers operate in a perverse market in which their incentives are to make the system, and our care, worse.

Reform is necessary, not just for our sakes but so the insurers actually can be better, rather than continuing to act as whipping boys for frustrated politicians.

Ezra Klein is a staff writer at the American Prospect. He blogs at EzraKlein.com.
 
^^^ Here's an interesting point from that I never thought of:

Imagine that Insurer X works with its providers to develop the best diabetes protocols in the country. And it begins advertising this fact. What happens on Day Two? It's flooded with individuals suffering from diabetes, or individuals who fear they will one day be suffering from diabetes. These people, in the current system, are a bad deal. Not only is it nearly impossible to insure them at a profit, but pooling their costs (which is what insurers do, after all) raises premiums for all the insurer's other customers.

Over time, that encourages healthy folks contracting with that insurer to quit the pool and go find a cheaper deal with an insurer that caters to healthier individuals, which forces the insurer to raise premiums yet again, driving out more healthy folks, which forces it to raise premiums again, which drives out more healthy folks, and so on. It's what industry experts call an insurance death spiral, and it ends with the collapse of the insurer.

Given those incentives, insurers cannot be expected to compete on the basis of better care, because if they encouraged better care, all that would happen is they would attract worse deals. Which is why, in the current system, insurers make things worse.
 
I just got around to watching the movie and it got me upset. We americans have been lied to about so many things: we are the best country in the world, have the best bla, bla, bla...

I think the best part of the movie was when Michael was in the UK and talking to, I think a former member of parliament and was told that educated members of society vote more and demand more. It was in governments best interest to keep its members ignorant thus making them more pliable and sheep like, ultimately asking less from its government.

Grrr!
 
I keep waiting for the life expectancy in the U.S. to begin plummeting. Sick people are becoming disposable trash in this country. Didn't one healthcare CEO just get paid something like $1.7 BILLION last year?

None of that money goes where it's really needed.

Actually, the latest studies are showing that the next generation will be the first generation where they will not live as long as their parents. In addition to the problems with health care, schools (especially high schools) have been eliminating physical education requirements and they are not eating heathy either.
 
Another example of the "scarcity" of health care in this country. I have a dentist appointment on 26 March. I made this appointment in JANUARY. It was the very earliest appointment that I could possibly find. About two weeks ago I was having some toothaches which I was afraid might develop into an emergency, but thankfully the aching went away after about a week, but all my urgent begging could do was to get my appointment moved from 08 April to its current date.

I previously posted in here how it took me, similarly, MONTHS to wait until I could get in for my colonoscopy which I finally had in October.

People in this country are DYING while waiting for their appointments which are often five weeks to four months in the future.

Those who want the status quo (so that the insurance companies can profit at will, and pay their CEO's INSANE amounts of compensation especially if they figure out how to drop hundreds or thousands of riskier clients, etc.) disparagingly say that in foreign countries you have to wait a long time, but in the U.S. you can see a doctor right away.

Can somebody show me, please? That's not MY experience.
 
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