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Sign language interpreter at Mandela memorial exposed as a fake, was gesticulating nonsense

013-12-13 11:40
Cape Town – Controversial sign language interpreter Thamsanqa Jantjie who used incorrect sign language at the memorial service for Nelson Mandela was reportedly being investigated after he defrauded the justice department of over R1m and held a colleague hostage with a brick.

Eyewitness News said on Friday that the case against Jantjie, had however, fallen apart after the main witness was suspended and the investigating officer threatened.

According to the report, Jantjie allegedly submitted fraudulent travel invoices in which he claimed over a R1m for daily trips he never made from Nelspruit to Johannesburg in a BMW he didn't own, and for accommodation he never used.
 
Telstra said:
"I'm sorry deaf people, this video is funny too"
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You're not actually sorry because you wouldn't have said it if you were. This is not funny, it is despicable. If you don't like how gsdx responded to you, then get your head out of your ass and grow the fuck up.
 
I can laugh all i want you can lick my foot.

Anyway, it is a good thing the sign language story is all over the news.
That means they might hire more sign language interpreters for public events such as concerts, debates, public forums ... etc. This publicity is good for the sign language community.
 
Alnitak said:
Signers do develop a personal "home sign" over time that they use with the immediate family and friends....
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That's what I said back in #72. There's no way a signer can sign at the speed that some people talk. You can't do a sign for each letter of the alphabet. It's unavoidable to simultaneously edit while you sign.
 
Alnitak said:
The author talks about being a minority within a minority, which is a very difficult experience indeed. Not only are there few deaf Jews, there are few Jews period. Depending on one's definition and progeny of intermarriages, there are only between 13 and 18 million of us worldwide. ....
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What is the definition of intermarriage. Are the definitions changing?
 
I think it's the "Who is a Jew?" question. There are various interpretations of that question with variables of pragmatism, affinity, theology, etc. I have a significant amount of Jewish ancestry, but "it doesn't count," according to orthodoxy, because it's not on the maternal side. Or perhaps it doesn't count because some of that lineage comes through people calling themselves anglican instead of jewish. Or perhaps it doesn't count because, although I have some cultural affinity, I don't accept the theology and I don't consider myself Jewish.
 
bankside said:
.. "it doesn't count," according to orthodoxy, because it's not on the maternal side. Or perhaps it doesn't count because some of that lineage comes through people calling themselves anglican instead of jewish. ...
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:eek: I thought they treated women as second class; the synagogue has a separate doorway for them and they have to sit in the balcony away from the men.

I know lots of jews called themselves Anglican in my country because it was the official religion in the first fifty years.
 
unloadonme said:
It appears that the interpreter has been admitted to a psychiatric hospital! ...
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He certainly stuffed up his big chance of being a word-wide celebrity and being adopted as one of Oprah's stable of US B-grade celebrities.
 
Yeah, I don't think it was a history of crypto-judaism in my family, i.e. being forced to hide what they believed due to persecution. I honestly think they just couldn't be too arsed by questions of theology..but then the next generation took Anglicanism a little more seriously. On another branch of the family from Spain, it is more of a possibility that Judaism was maintained in private to avoid attention, but that's more my cousins and I'm less familiar with it.
 
pat grimshaw said:
What is the definition of intermarriage. Are the definitions changing?
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It is imprecise and depends on whom you ask.

The strict definition as bankside pointed out is matrilineal descent. If that maternal line is broken even in one generation, then the person is not Jewish strictly speaking. Well it must have been broken for most Jews at some point since intermarriage has diversified the Jewish people into whites, Africans, Arabs, Persians, Indians, and anywhere else Jews have migrated to. At any rate, Israeli law only cares about proving four generations, and that is usually good enough religiously as well.

Now for a Jewish history lesson:

Jews probably stopped being uniformly Semitic-Judean in the 8th Century BC after the short-lived Kingdom of Israel was conquered by nasty Assyria. The famous Ten Lost Tribes then scattered to the four corners, establishing communities around the classically known world. No doubt, isolated Jewish communities quickly absorbed women from the local populace and bred out Semitic traits (although blond hair/blue eyes is still rare among European Jews).

Anyway, the only automatic way to become Jewish is to have a Jewish mother. Conversion in a mikvah is the second way to become religiously Jewish and legally Jewish in Israel.

BUT, not everyone cares for the traditional definitions and there are some who just identify as Jews despite a non-Jewish matrilineal descent or lack of ritual conversion.
 
Alnitak said:
….Jews probably stopped being uniformly Semitic-Judean in the 8th Century BC after the short-lived Kingdom of Israel was conquered by nasty Assyria. The famous Ten Lost Tribes then scattered to the four corners, establishing communities around the classically known world. No doubt, isolated Jewish communities quickly absorbed women from the local populace and bred out Semitic traits (although blond hair/blue eyes is still rare among European Jews).
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I mostly encounter Jews who came to Australia in the 19th century and they seemed to strongly differentiate themselves as either Sephardic OR Ashkenazi.

I've looked at Wiki and it says that Sephardic / Ashkenazi refers to which part of Europe they came from. It doesn't seem to make any generalisation about either and whether either of them has more status or less than the other.

Is Sephardic versus Ashkenazi still an issue in the 21st century?
 
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