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Slippery Hillary loses her aura of inevitability

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Slippery Hillary loses her aura of inevitability

Andrew Sullivan
From The Sunday Times
November 4, 2007

The old conventional wisdom: she’s inevitable. The new conventional wisdom: not so much.

The press loves a narrative. It drives our reporting and analysis, and the story for the better part of the past six months is that you might as well take a long nap between now and the moment that Hillary Clinton is sworn in as the next president of the United States.

If you were betting your life savings, you’d still be shrewd to put your money on the prevaricator, wherever she happens to be campaigning that day. But nothing is certain in politics; and the Clinton candidacy has been much less formidable so far than you have been led to believe.

The turning point, if it turns out to be one, was last Tuesday night in yet another Democratic debate. The hype was that Barack Obama was finally going to get tough with his main opponent.

But Obama seems unable to do such a thing. He sails elegantly above the fray, with complete paragraphs fluidly tripping off his tongue, his voice rarely rising above the even-tempered basso profundo of a college don. He has a quick grin, but not a rapier wit. He would have done rather poorly at the Oxford Union. Given several opportunities for a quick rhetorical kill against the frontrunner, he balked.

It was left to third-place John Edwards to keep hammering at Clinton’s core vulnerability: "The American people . . . deserve a president of the United States that they know will tell them the truth and won’t say one thing one time and something different at a different time." You think?

It was up to another candidate, Senator Christopher Dodd, to remind Democrats that almost half the country have told pollsters they would never vote for Clinton. Shouldn’t that be a factor in the Democrats’ decision on their candidate for next year?

Edwards even sounded a little like a Republican Hillary-hater at times. "Will she be the person who brings about the change in this country? You know, I believe in Santa Claus. I believe in the tooth fairy," he said. "But I don’t think that’s going to happen."

The next day, Clinton’s slightly rattled machine played the gender card, describing the way she’d been piled into by her rivals as a classic case of six men attacking a woman. She sent out a fundraising letter complaining about the "pile-on". Yes, Clinton is a feminist until she gets into trouble and then she plays the wounded woman card. It’s not a new schtick, of course. She was a feminist until she had the chance to run for office in the 1980s and chose to coopt political power via her husband first.

She was a feminist until her husband was sued for sexual harassment in the 1990s, and she had to smear his accusers. And she’s still a feminist until she turns in a poor debate performance.

Her pollster, Mark Penn, reassured nervous donors the next day that female voters were saying: "Senator Clinton needs our support now more than ever if we’re going to see this six-on-one to try to bring her down." Can you imagine a real feminist – like, say, Margaret Thatcher – ever using that kind of excuse after a rough prime minister’s questions?

What actually happened last week is that, finally, the real Clinton was exposed. Since last year, she has very successfully Photoshopped all the rough edges off her real persona and launched a campaign as a "new Hillary". She glowed. Her hair was fixed into one style, as feminine and yet as authoritative as it could get. She smiled and smiled and smiled.
She was much better at public speaking. She even road-tested a new laugh on a few Sunday morning talk shows – a laugh that subsequently disappeared from her repertoire after too many people heard what they thought was a cackle. (She had also practised it so well that it came off identically on every programme – the kind of thing you can no longer get away with in a YouTube political culture.)

Every detail of every programme was in place. She had nuanced her pro-Iraq-war vote into a melange that somehow managed to satisfy the liberal base of her party without making her vulnerable to a gung-ho Republican next year. She even presented a new, less statist healthcare plan to erase the miserable memory of her last attempt in 1994. The press lapped it up, and Democrats increasingly leant her way as the safe bet.

But the flipside of her carefully calibrated new image and her meticulously balanced positions was that she increasingly came off as the completely calculating and untrustworthy pure politician that she actually is. The mirage of benign Evita-style womanhood worked so long as she could maintain the generous aura of an inevitable elder stateswoman.

Behind the scenes, of course, it was the usual story: sleazy, relentless fundraising, brutal pressure on any Democratic party figure not beholden to her and her husband, and polls, polls, polls. But somehow, the Bush-Cheney era worked like some electro-convulsive therapy on many Americans, instantly erasing any bad memories of the Clinton sleaze of the 1990s and wiping the reality of Hillary’s true nature from the national psyche.

Her discipline in keeping this new image afloat is extraordinary. But every now and again, the mask slips. An unsavoury Chinatown fundraising link emerged. And then she did something really stupid: she supported a Senate amendment sponsored by hard-right Republican John Kyl and neoconservative Democrat Joe Lieberman, designating Iran’s Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organisation and giving the Bush administration a green light to launch a possible air-strike against it. To a Democratic base already suspicious of Clinton for her vote for the Iraq war, this was unnervingly close to Bush.

And then last Tuesday came her debate debacle. She kept trying to have it both ways on almost every question – and suddenly, everyone could see the old Clinton casuistry. YouTube only echoed her two-faced posture. Her answers seemed always designed not to express her real views – if, after all these years of positioning, she can be said to have any real views left – but pure calculation. She did this to herself. Probably tired, a little cranky and more than a little overconfident, the veil fell and the old "say anything to get or keep power" Clinton emerged into the stage-light.

It is enough to give Democrats pause before her coronation. Is it enough to derail her? I don’t know. I do know that in Iowa, the one state where voters have really engaged with the candidates and broken through the national advertising and PR machine, she is faltering. There, she is running neck and neck with Obama, and Edwards is fading. The problem with a campaign built on inevitability is that the minute the inevitability aura is punctured, much can unravel. If she wins Iowa, it’s probably over for Obama. But if she loses there, her strongest argument – that she can win – will crumple. And Obama will still have the money and organisation to fight on.

The good thing for the Democrats and for America is that the real Clinton is now running for office. She has abilities and policies worth weighing in their own right – rather than crowning her as Miss Inevitability. Obama, moreover, has yet to make the sale to many Democrats worried by his somewhat detached persona. He didn’t win last week’s debate. She lost it.

This isn’t over. In many ways, it has just started.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/andrew_sullivan/article2799537.ece
 
University of Iowa Hawkeye Poll

Oct. 29, 2007


If your caucus was TODAY, who would you support for president at your caucus? Just tell me the name.


-----------OCTOBER-----AUGUST-----MARCH

CLINTON - 28.9----------24.8--------28.5

OBAMA - 26.6----------19.3---------19.3

EDWARDS - 20.0---------26.0---------34.2
 
University of Iowa Hawkeye Poll

Oct. 29, 2007


If your caucus was TODAY, who would you support for president at your caucus? Just tell me the name.


-----------OCTOBER-----AUGUST-----MARCH

CLINTON - 28.9----------24.8--------28.5

OBAMA - 26.6----------19.3---------19.3

EDWARDS - 20.0---------26.0---------34.2

Yes, Obama and Clinton are statistically tied in Iowa but Obama certainly has the momentum there according to the poll, does't he?

Of course these polls were taken before the debate was held to which the article refers. The expected negative fallout on Hillary from the extensive negative media coverage of the debate will not be reflected in polling for a few weeks as in all campaigns and polling damage takes a while to filter down into the electorate's conciousness.
 
Santa Bear,

The other thing that is significant in that poll is that while Hillary has remained virtually static from March to October while Obama's momentum has taken him into a statistical tie with her, Edwards support has been eroding significantly from March to October.
 
"The expected negative fallout on Hillary"

That is a canard and was only wishful thinking by Obama/Edwards folks and the assorted Clinton-Haters. No data can prove it has any legs.

HRC was expected to LOSE Iowa until the recent polling yet now she is the front runner.

The Clintons alway do their best when their backs are against a wall.

Read this:

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=186065&highlight=Iowa
 
University of Iowa Hawkeye Poll

Oct. 29, 2007


If your caucus was TODAY, who would you support for president at your caucus? Just tell me the name.


-----------OCTOBER-----AUGUST-----MARCH

CLINTON - 28.9----------24.8--------28.5

OBAMA - 26.6----------19.3---------19.3

EDWARDS - 20.0---------26.0---------34.2

Only time will tell whether the debate and the resulting largely negative media coverage of Clinton will be reflected in the polls. I believe it is bound to, based on my past experience of campaigns, but of course the proof will only be when it happens and anyone is at liberty to form a different conclusion. We will know the answer as reflected in polling in a few weeks. Whether it will be a watershed or not is too soon the say. The fact is the Clinton campaign is in a very unenviable position. To be so far ahead in the national polls, although they have but little relevance to primary results, which can make or break a candidate, is the worst of all worlds at this juncture of a campaign. As perceived front runner all the guns are bound to be turned on her. Playing the inevitability card is terribly dangerous. If she falters she will begin to look like a loser and if I was running her campaign I would be very worried indeed.

As for the Hawkeye poll that you reference, it has Clinton statistically tied with Obama e.g. it is within the margin of error and either Obama or she could be ahead or level pegging according to the poll.

What is more significant, to me having employed a few pollsters, is the raw data of the poll.

From March to October, Hillary had gone up an infinitesimal 0.4 of a percent.

In the same period Obama has shown momentum and gone up 7.3 %

While Edwards has dropped significantly in the same period. He has lost 14.2% since March to go from first place to third. A surprisingly precipitous drop.
 
Translation - Edwards supporters have moved to Obama and Hillary supporters have stayed true. The Edwards switch has nothing to do with the debates.

Mattie,

That is not good news for Clinton. If as the race narrows the other candidates supporters mostly move to Obama, as seems likely, Clinton is dead.

To be fair there are still a lot of undecides i n Iowa and the headline figure of decided supporting Clinton and Obama is not that meaningful - but Obama's momentum figurs look worrying for Clinton all the same.
 
wow - this is some piece

im waiting for the hillary crowd to tell us that andrew sullivan is really praising her in this piece - and try to get us to believe that

couple things that resonate:

1 - Hillary playing the gender card - it's disgusting and so dishonest

2 - Her campaign staff/machine getting right out there reaching out to women with the "don't let them do this to us" crap

3 - her polished image (improved) is showing signs of cracking a bit

4 - some of her behind the scenes politicking is all too similar to the Bush-Cheney way which people r sick of

scathing piece

on to Iowa
 
Andy, the pos barebacking bear, conservative Republican heritage is showing. This is a classic smear piece of half truths and negative spin and old anti Clinton buzz. How does anyone outside the Republican party take him seriously?

Sullivan's thinking is inconsistent and haphazard, he supported George Bush over Al Gore in 2000 and Bob Dole in 1996 and now supports Obama - nuff said.
 
Oh my GOD this is a devastating piece!!!!!!!!!!!

Clutch the pearls!!!!

Andrew my dear I'm so shocked after you've hated the Clintons all these years that you'd write this!!!!

Shocked!! Stunned!!! Shaken to my core!!!!

Smellin salts! Someone get me mah smellin salts!!!!



:rotflmao:
 
Andy, the pos barebacking bear, conservative Republican heritage is showing. This is a classic smear piece of half truths and negative spin and old anti Clinton buzz. How does anyone outside the Republican party take him seriously?

Sullivan's thinking is inconsistent and haphazard, he supported George Bush over Al Gore in 2000 and Bob Dole in 1996 and now supports Obama - nuff said.

scary how uninformed u r [-X

did u see this conservative republican on bill maher last week? :p

he loathes the republican party

but cause he supports obama he's what exactly ???????????

"classic smear piece on the clintons?"

good god :rolleyes:

poooooooooooooooooooor hillary :rolleyes:
 
^ a little short on actual information aren't you? I didn't know I was supposed to watch Bill Maher last week. As "a leader" you have to get our TV assignments to us earlier.
 
^ a little short on actual information aren't you? I didn't know I was supposed to watch Bill Maher last week. As "a leader" you have to get our TV assignments to us earlier.

im short on actual info

ur referring to sullivan's long ago positions

not current

making him out to be someone he's not

had u seen bill maher (surprised u would miss it since it's usually a 4 person liberal-a-thon) - u would have seen it

ck ur local listings
 
Sullivan doesn't loathe the Republican Party, he disapproves of the direction Bushies, neocons and religious nuts have taken it. That's different.

Further, iman makes the salient point. Sullivan is uneven. He's very bright and well informed, and sometimes his analysis is spot-on. But it bears repeating that he's uneven. He adamantly supported Bush in 2000 - obnoxiously so. He adamantly supported Bush going to war with Iraq - obnoxiously so. I told him he was wrong in both cases --and others-- and he refused to listen, wouldn't let the information in. And he's doing the same about Hillary.

To his credit, he eventually figures out he's wrong and then cops to it. He'll admit he was wrong about Hillary eventually, years from now.
 
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.He very well is on the personal character of Bill and Hillary.I think the Republican Party would be very much better off without the neoconservatives and religious right as well,and the competition of ideas between the parties is great for a democracy.Being a Republican in itself is no offense to me cutting out the neocons and religious right dominance in the party agenda.But everything in the article he wrote about Hillary was true.Her inconsitencies and triangulation twisting of her positions don't bother you at all,though his inconsistencies obviously matter.Maybe she'll win and be a great president...but be realistic in assesment of her character.
 
Gee, Andrew supported Kerry in '04 and now Obama in '08.

Why are you so disappointed that he doesn't support Hillary, the most Nixonian candidate since the '70's?
 
Maybe she'll win and be a great president...but be realistic in assesment of her character.


If she doesn't win, a Republican will. Giuliani. And I promise you that would be a nightmare beyond anything imagined during George Bush's presidency. I knew Bush would be bad and I know Giuliani would be much worse. Giuliani's a very bad man.

None of the other Democratic candidates could prevail over the Republican Slime Machine in the coming year. Not even close. And Obama (whom they'd make out to be a terrorist - his being dark skinned and his name alone would be a powerful tool for the smarmy slimy disgusting Republican Machine of Personal Destruction), even if he could win, is not ready yet. He's too inexperienced and the work that needs to be done is too crucial.

Hillary would be at the least a very competent President, and probably a lot more than that. She could easily end up being one of our great ones. We need that now. We need someone who can clean up Bush's and the previous Republican-Majority Congress' messes. We need someone with a strong and effective, and appropriate, foreign policy. We need a President who'll invest in our future, in alternative energy rather than tax breaks for oil corporations.

Are there elements of Hillary Clinton's character that I could criticize? You bet. She's a survivor of traumatic situations and that takes a toll on a person. I don't care about her particular damage (and I've watched it closely) because it's irrelevant to the job that needs to be done in the White House. They're all damaged. So am I. So are you. So is Andrew Sullivan. The question is what job needs most importantly to be done and who can do it. And right now that leads to Hillary Clinton.

What Andrew Sullivan is doing is, yet again, buying into the Republican propaganda. He's getting a little long in the tooth to still be so naive about it, but there it is. He's being fooled by the same seduction that's fooled him before. Hillary's inconsistencies! What a fucking joke. A successful politician who's "inconsistent." Oh 'm God, stop the presses!

Every complaint of Andrew's is irrelevant to whether or not Hillary Clinton will get the job done that we need done. And that's what ought to matter.
 
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