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Socialist Canada's Economy the Envy of the World

Edward Twinkletoes

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I hope massive purges, gulags, concentration camps and firing squads and gas chambers aren't the future.

There are enough of them in the recent past.
 
JohannBessler said:
I knew there was a reason, besides compassion, that I was a socialist. Our Northern neighbor consistently wins the Best Country In The World To Live award, and now it has the best economy.

And now you righties, living in the distant past, can wake up and smell the coffee. Socialism is the future!

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You think socialism had anything to do with Canada's financial well-being? Were you even reading the same story?

They made it plain as day; Canada's economy is the way it is because their banks didn't take any risks at all, and because their government is extremely conservative when it comes to spending. Socialism has nothing to do with it. Fiscal common sense does. (and it should be noted that Canada's economy is relatively small when compared to other industrialized nations)

You also need to contrast the size of their banks; Canada's largest, The Royal Bank of Canada has assets somewhere in the neighborhood of $655 million. The US' largest, Bank of America, has assets well over $2 trillion dollars. Canada only has 5 major banks; the US has 23 banks worth over $100 million.

The scales are different, and how the banks are managed is different because of that. (when was the last time you heard a canadian bank with as far a reach as Citigroup or JP Morgan-chase?) The US banks too more risks because that's what's expected of them. The canadian banks were more conservative because that's what's expected of them as well.

Socialism had nothing to do with it, hate to break it to you.
 
Droid: If you think that regulation, taxation, and a larger social safety net have nothing to do with how Canada is doing, you're not being fair. The social democratic leanings do play a role.

Johann - While I agree with you, please learn the difference between the following terms: democratic socialism, SOCIAL DEMOCRACY or THE WELFARE STATE, actual SOCIALISM (revolutionary socialism, democratic, etc.), communism, etc. Socialism is associated with Marxism/communism because that's WHAT THE WORDS MEANS. Canada participates in the market economy. Canada is not socialist. It does have regulation and a social safety net, so you could say it verges on social democracy, like many European nations. This is referred to as social democracy or the third way. Socialism = revolutionary socialism, or it makes people think of communism or stalinism.
 
Edward Twinkletoes said:
I hope massive purges, gulags, concentration camps and firing squads and gas chambers aren't the future.

There are enough of them in the recent past.
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JohannBessler said:
Silly goose, that was communism, not socialism. ^

That being said, I can think of several Republican politicians who might do very well in a gulag or in front of a firing squad...;)
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It was more stalinism then communism or socialism...
 
money can't buy me in on socialism. I support some social agendas within our democracy, but if I had to choose between having more cash and a democratic republic?

I'd rather go hungry.

but that's just me. I believe in america. I think we have the tools to fix this. We just have to find the right people this mid term to give the tools to.

If deals don't start rolling out of congress, I am considering a second ammendment resolution to the republican obstruction.

whaT

I'm trying something new. Maybe threatening to shoot them is the only language they speak and understand.:twisted::gogirl::twisted::p
 
Canadians by and large are nice people too. Polite, friendly and somewhat reserved. There isn't the "bring 'em on" and "we're the leader of the free world" mentality when you visit Canada.

You also notice there isn't an extreme gap between rich and poor in the large cities. In Chicago you see monolithic suburban homes and ravaged inner cities. In Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Winnipeg, Calgary you don't see sprawling slums and this huge gap between rich and poor as you do in the USA. Canada takes care of their people.

There are price controls on medications in Canada. One medication I need to survive (I've had a kidney transplant) I drive to Canada to buy. At home it's $600 for a supply while I take the one hour drive to a pharmacy in Canada the exact same thing is $80.... a no brainer to go there.

A little bit of "socialism" isn't such a bad thing to take care of your citizens. Safety nets are necessary.

Droid880, the Royal Bank of Canada has $655.0 billion that's with a "B" in assets. That's half a trillion for a country with a population only 11% of the USA. Not too bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Bank_of_Canada


USA est. population: 307,006,550

Canada est population: 33,311,400

Right wing conservatives have become a greedy, mean spirited bunch. It's all about ME. It's what I want and to Hell with the rest of you. The Republicans don't care about the country as a whole, they only care about what they can get for themselves. They're not Americans anymore. They're Republicans.
 
Of course we were told that Obama's tax model and health care reform would make the US socialist. So I guess we're a socialist nation too.
 
JonesHere said:
Of course we were told that Obama's tax model and health care reform would make the US socialist. So I guess we're a socialist nation too.
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off topic comment:

Jones, you obviously don't know what socialism is. President Obama isn't a socialist. Just because a group of people call him a socialist doesn't make him one. If I called Rush Limbaugh a genius that wouldn't make him one.
 
CowboyBob; said:
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Jones, you obviously don't know what socialism is. President Obama isn't a socialist. Just because a group of people call him a socialist doesn't make him one. If I called Rush Limbaugh a genius that wouldn't make him one.
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My notion of what socialism is is beside the point.

Everyone who said Obama and his policies were or are socialist now has to accept that by their definition, the US is now a socialist nation.
 
Jack Springer said:
You might want to pay attention to the trouble the health care system is having in Canada.

The future is not so bright.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100531/hl_nm/us_health_3
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Completely irrelevant but I'll bite...the system is fine, the cost of procedures and drugs are not. The companies are charging more than they're worth so the governments are forced into paying for shit they shouldn't be paying for. That is the point of the entire article.

With that being said, a lot of things Canada is famous for would never work in America due to population differences. Scandinavian countries, Canada...the countries that frequently top-out the 'life indexes' run so smoothly because of their populations. To orchestrate socialist systems of such a magnitude as 300 million is impractical (being historically disastrous in large populations). You cannot expect to impose regulations on a country with more illegal immigrants than your neighbour.

America/Canada comparisons should stop on principle of the two countries having zero similarities regarding the implementation of social systems. Sure, it's a fun notion to humour...but never a reality.
 
JohannBessler said:
Silly goose, that was communism, not socialism. ^

That being said, I can think of several Republican politicians who might do very well in a gulag or in front of a firing squad...;)
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If the squad is firing from their gas chambers can we put the politicians behind them (with hands tied behind their backs so they can't plug their noses? That would be better than a quick and relatively painless death.
 
JonesHere said:
My notion of what socialism is is beside the point.

Everyone who said Obama and his policies were or are socialist now has to accept that by their definition, the US is now a socialist nation.
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That makes no sense. Calling someone a socialist doesn't make him one. Look it up.

And the USA is not a socialist nation, at least by your definition.

It's yet another word taken by the right wingers and demonized. Similar to the word "liberal". Look it up in the dictionary. I'm proud to be a liberal.

I want to take my country forward, not back.
 
saymyname said:
Droid: If you think that regulation, taxation, and a larger social safety net have nothing to do with how Canada is doing, you're not being fair. The social democratic leanings do play a role.
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No they most certainly do not. The article noted the main reasons for Canada's economic growth; a social safety net and taxation were not among them. Regulation was, but even then, it was not cited as a main reason for it.
 
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