Some People are Refusing to Wear Masks [SPLIT]

[KaraBulut]

Re: 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)

^I live in Palm Beach County, Florida, and I'd like to point out a few things. First, Palm Beach is a large urban county with about 1.6 million people, depending on what the final 2020 Census figure is. That is more people than live in some entire states. We have all types of people who live here, and we certainly have our share of nuts. What's the saying? Somebody shook the United States, and all the nuts fell down into Florida? But what I'd like to propose is that perhaps the reason those particular people were so loud and abusive, so irrational, and so nutty at that County Commission meeting is that THEY'RE NOT GETTING THEIR WAY! The voting bloc they represent is actually in the minority here. You notice that the commissioners didn't allow themselves to be bullied and intimidated by those people, but went ahead and did the right thing by voting to make mask-wearing in public mandatory. Now individual stores don't just have to take it upon themselves to enforce mask policies, they can just tell customers they have to wear masks because county law requires it.

I didn't mean to pick on Palm Beach county. It's just the best example from YouTube videos because of the subtitles and the way that Now This edited it to point out the common themes and certain conspiracy theory "buzzwords" used by the speakers.

The Twitter videos that we linked earlier were in other locations like Los Angeles, Orange County CA and Provo, Utah. The fact that we're seeing so many different areas of the country with anti-mask movements and they're all using the same arguments and same buzzwords helps make it clear that it's not a coincidence. These are people who have been very deep into these social media networking groups on the internet and they were there before COVID-19 brought them out of the woodwork.

What I'm hearing from colleagues in Florida echos what you've said: there's a group of people- especially healthcare workers and first responders and their families- who are taking this very seriously. The older people are more receptive to being careful and wearing masks.

Even in the Twitter videos from the other cities, you can see most of the people in the stores in those cities were wearing masks and physically distancing. That makes the presence of a screaming, violent anti-mask shopper even more shocking.

The government of Palm Beach County does deserve credit for sticking with the medical experts and public health officials. And it's an unfortunate that being part of a liberal democracy means that free speech applies to everyone, including those whose elevator doesn't quite reach the top floors.

In fairness, here's the videos from the other locations with notes about where they were:

Los Angeles - anti-masker pepper sprayed for attacking grocery store worker
Utah anti-maskers protesters pack public meeting
Screaming anti-masker in west coast grocery store

And here's the example from Orange County, CA:

 

[Alistair]

What have we come to when shop workers are armed with pepper sprays?

Luck, gas station and convenience stores are usually armed with guns

 

[belamyi]

^ Those already are at the gates of hell: they sell gas

 

[KaraBulut]

Luck, gas station and convenience stores are usually armed with guns

As are sheriff's deputies:

Michigan man refused service for not wearing mask stabs customer, is fatally shot by deputy [NBC]

A Michigan man refused service for not wearing a mask amid the coronavirus pandemic early Tuesday morning stabbed another customer before he was shot to death by a sheriff's deputy, police said.

Sean Ernest Ruis, 43, walked into Quality Dairy in Windsor Township — just outside Lansing and 100 miles west of Detroit — at about 6:45 a.m. without wearing a mask.

 

[NotHardUp1]

What have we come to when shop workers are armed with pepper sprays?

Luck, gas station and convenience stores are usually armed with guns

What have we come to? I'd opine that it is the effect of a progressive society that discouraged guns.

Think about it. If an individual, regardless of working in retail or not, is in a violent society, what exactly IS the appropriate posture to take in self defense. Everyone isn't a Jujitsu champion, and there are plenty of average or small people who could be easily injured or killed, so should they just be prepared to be sacrificed until the police arrive and subdue a maniac or just find their remains after he's gone?

Honestly.

As for the wackos, it may be unfair to refer to the mask-refusers as characterized by the few violent individuals. You really have the onus to demonstrate that the violence is occurring in significant numbers in order for it to be typical in any way of a very large group of citizens.

And dismissing the phenomenon as mental illness is as irrational as the mask refusers. That suggests that anyone who doesn't follow rationality in life is mentally ill. What a convenient perspective to have in order to not have to deal with those who disagree with us in society.

Of course they are sane.

The truth is that we have bred these people in our society. Since the early 60's, there has been a pronounced trend toward unchecked individualism, to the point that an arrogance is being bred into many Americans. It has happened like the drip of a plumbing leak, and now the basement is deep in water.

Leaders are illegitimate because we are told that every day and night in late shows and news talk

Institutions are undermined by dissenters from the right and left. Any time a faction disagrees with any decision or action of an institution or organization, immediately the campaign begins against respecting it.

And the schools? What better example could we have? Citizens make it clear that teachers are not in charge of their children and are quick to assert themselves in control issues, making much of the public schools a travesty.

The police? All of them are corrupt and killers to hear the reformers tell it. Proportionality is never discussed when corruption comes to light. It's always applied to the entire force.

So, we have created these people. We have gradually told the American that no one can tell him what to do.

 

[belamyi]

 

[ChristianGianni]

IF it were possibe, I would love to take these anti-maskers and ALL Covid 19 deniers AND Politicians on a tour of the Hospital ICU, have them see first hand what horror's this virus IS capable of inflicting on the human body, have them witness a patient who is beyond our help gasping for their final breath and let them see them pass before their very eyes. Then take them on a tour of the full morgues/mortuaries just to ram it home that this is NO joke. Then I'd kick their sad pathetic asses to the curb.

 

[belamyi]

IF it were possibe, I would love to take these anti-maskers and ALL Covid 19 deniers AND Politicians on a tour of the Hospital ICU, have them see first hand what horror's this virus IS capable of inflicting on the human body, have them witness a patient who is beyond our help gasping for their final breath and let them see them pass before their very eyes. Then take them on a tour of the full morgues/mortuaries just to ram it home that this is NO joke. Then I'd kick their sad pathetic asses to the curb.

No. Just leave them in their own bubble of freedom, away from the evil caring hands of ungodly liberals like you

 

[ChristianGianni]

No. Just leave them in their own bubble of freedom, away from the evil caring hands of ungodly liberals like you

Oh, I'd LOVE to take care of them alright

 

[ClubLevelVegan]

As for the wackos, it may be unfair to refer to the mask-refusers as characterized by the few violent individuals. You really have the onus to demonstrate that the violence is occurring in significant numbers in order for it to be typical in any way of a very large group of citizens.

I mean a significant amount of them have been coughing on people as well. So I mean, I would consider that as a part of the violence they are displaying.

The police? All of them are corrupt and killers to hear the reformers tell it. Proportionality is never discussed when corruption comes to light. It's always applied to the entire force.

To address point, maybe people do this because either the "good" ones in the force don't do anything about any of the corruption or any time an Officer tries to do anything they get retaliated against or pushed out of the force. And I mean, that is besides the fucking decades of Police showing that their actions have no real consequences and have always been on the side of the oppressors. So if Police don't want to be generalized to such a degree maybe they should actually do something about it, but with the protests happening and their reaction, they clearly do not.

 

[KaraBulut]

IF it were possibe, I would love to take these anti-maskers and ALL Covid 19 deniers AND Politicians on a tour of the Hospital ICU, ...

At least one ICU doctor in Houston has made that offer. So far, I don't think any of them have taken him up on that offer.

 

[ChristianGianni]

^^^ .. Good on him .. ^^^


Meanwhile .. this is supposedly what the Anti-Maskers are wearing to get around the Mask Wearing Laws .. Mesh Masks

 

[belamyi]

^ The point is not to be assimilated to the rest of the people from whom everything else (or so they think) sets them apart: as long as they can preserve their "we are different, we are the good ones", they are fine.

They want to keep that most American illusion of choice, of SELF-RELIANCE, intact, and a designer mask will not suffice to achieve that.

 

[NotHardUp1]

I mean a significant amount of them have been coughing on people as well. So I mean, I would consider that as a part of the violence they are displaying.

Significant would be a number out of the total number. No one has either. You could add up every news account and you'd only have dozens at most, yet we know millions of people are agreeing with Trump and his minions. So, 48 out of even 1,000,000 isn't objectively a significant number. It's just notable and sensational, which isn't the same as representative of the anti-maskers.

To address point, maybe people do this because either the "good" ones in the force don't do anything about any of the corruption or any time an Officer tries to do anything they get retaliated against or pushed out of the force. And I mean, that is besides the fucking decades of Police showing that their actions have no real consequences and have always been on the side of the oppressors. So if Police don't want to be generalized to such a degree maybe they should actually do something about it, but with the protests happening and their reaction, they clearly do not.

Maybe schmaybe.

They do it because propaganda cannot allow reason to mitigate the force of an allegation, especially a false one.

Whether the oppressors have succeeded in times of conflict in using the police doesn't change the fact that the majority of the time, in the majority of police forces, they spend their time nabbing drunk drivers, violent criminals who stab/beat/shoot other humans, arresting car thieves/burglars/robbers, investigating rapes/break-ins/vandalisms, responding to traffic accidents, attending emergencies, and on, and on, and on.

But those are only 95% or so of what they do. Somewhere between 0% and 4.99%, they're out there harassing the innocent shoplifters and addicts.

It's really easy to make up statistics and impugn or exonerate a group by doing so. It's not persuasive, and it's not true. It's just gratuitous.

 

[ClubLevelVegan]

Significant would be a number out of the total number. No one has either. You could add up every news account and you'd only have dozens at most, yet we know millions of people are agreeing with Trump and his minions. So, 48 out of even 1,000,000 isn't objectively a significant number. It's just notable and sensational, which isn't the same as representative of the anti-maskers.

Maybe schmaybe.

They do it because propaganda cannot allow reason to mitigate the force of an allegation, especially a false one.

Whether the oppressors have succeeded in times of conflict in using the police doesn't change the fact that the majority of the time, in the majority of police forces, they spend their time nabbing drunk drivers, violent criminals who stab/beat/shoot other humans, arresting car thieves/burglars/robbers, investigating rapes/break-ins/vandalisms, responding to traffic accidents, attending emergencies, and on, and on, and on.

But those are only 95% or so of what they do. Somewhere between 0% and 4.99%, they're out there harassing the innocent shoplifters and addicts.

It's really easy to make up statistics and impugn or exonerate a group by doing so. It's not persuasive, and it's not true. It's just gratuitous.

Are you not making up a statistic right here? Or do you have something to back this up? It's not like the corruption of the Police only goes as far as the way they are "harassing the innocent shoplifters and addicts." Stating it like that is disingenuous as if that is all I was talking about when it comes to Police corruption. Corruption exists in the very precincts themselves, the Police Unions, it's not like it stops at street level.

 

[Alistair]

Seriously, what is wrong with these people?

This week, one anti-masker California woman was asked to leave a Verizon store for refusing to wear a face covering. So she responded in a *totally rational* manner: She allegedly urinated in the middle of the store.

https://www.complex.com/life/2020/0...e-after-ordered-to-leave-for-not-wearing-mask

 

[DepravedMuscleFTL]

first and foremost - when speaking of matters concerning Florida one needs to separate- there is South Florida which in basic terms means Palm Beach Fort Lauderdale Miami and Key West - and there is the rest of the state = South Florida is like NYC - it represents about half of the population of the state - it is the LIBERAL/DEMOCRATIC portion of the state - and the rest of the state is basically Alabama.... it is 2 entirely different worlds - and that is reflected in every election - Florida is a state with election results that are sometimes literally separated by hundreds (not thousands) - it is that close - there is a re-count almost every election... remember that South Florida is a destination - I don't know the exact figure but my guess is that 95% of the population is TRANSPALNTS - they moved here - actually I just looked it up 80% are transplants and the population of South Florida grows by a 1000 each and every day - https://sachsmedia.com/news/florida-population-statistics/ - SOUTH FLORIDA and the rest of Florida are not the same...

the easy answer to the rest of this thread is that it is just another plot by the Trump admin to divide the nation - this whole non-reaction to Covid from the beginning - then to blame Obama - and then to increase the divide over issues of mask - ppe - school openings and the economy are all INTENTIONAL - you would have to be an idiot to think otherwise - Trump is not that smart - but his goons are - this is all INTENTIONAL

 

[Kahaih]

Seriously, what is wrong with these people?



https://www.complex.com/life/2020/0...e-after-ordered-to-leave-for-not-wearing-mask

This particular person has issues, to say the least.

She was arrested when they found stolen goods from another store in her car. And at the end of the article, the Verizon spokesperson said that there was more to this than just the mask, but would say no more.

Seriously, complex.$.com, and the drama queen who wrote the title and article should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[Alistair]

^

The article. TL;DR

 

[NotHardUp1]

Are you not making up a statistic right here? Or do you have something to back this up? It's not like the corruption of the Police only goes as far as the way they are "harassing the innocent shoplifters and addicts." Stating it like that is disingenuous as if that is all I was talking about when it comes to Police corruption. Corruption exists in the very precincts themselves, the Police Unions, it's not like it stops at street level.

The statistics were mockery of your broader claims, assertions that police were on the side of the oppressors without any other context, as if that nullified all the work they have ever done. It doesn't.

Nevermind the fact that your broadside was little more than a generalization.

I made up facts to demonstrate your own lack of proportion in your indictment of all police as being little more than lackeys of the oligarchs.

If you don't have to substantiate your claims, or speak to the prevalence of said offenses, then it's an open field anyone can make up anything.