Someone please explain children out of wedlock and single parent homes...

[Lostlover]

Seriously? People put more thought into getting pets these days than rearing children. Sub teaching for my local district, I can tell you the worst kids are born out of wedlock and live in a single parent home. And when you call home, it's either the mom without a job and several smaller kids or a grandparent answering the phone.

Seriously, how can people just pop out kids with shitty or no jobs? This includes mormons too. And then hope for the best? And then hope for teachers to raise these bad ass children?

I remember in American government senior year, my teacher was absolutely disgusted with how badly the kids were raised. And he's a die hard liberal. He asked us how many had two parents with degrees from universities. I was the only one out of about 35 to raise my hand. He was also perplexed at how much money the kids were spending on graduation. On things like tuxes, gowns, limos and photographers. And not one thought went into paying for college.

What's happened to this country?

 

[Telstra]

They have to much time, therefore producing babies.

 

[Lostlover]

They have to much time, therefore producing babies.

Too much time. One heathen just got an assault rifle from his dumb ass dad. He needs a multiplication chart, not a gun.

 

[Telstra]

Help!!! Make a Donation for Children out of wedlock Victims. Help those less fortunate than you. It will lift you up lifting those in need up.

 

[Esquire0399]

Are you serious with this? Are you fucking serious with this? Before anyone even questions my intention with this, yes I am taking the bait and yes I am pissed. I don't fell bad and I certainly don't regret it.

Basically what you've done here is take a statistic and apply it to the entirety of a population. Not that I expect anything more of an asshole like you.

My sister and I were born and raised by married parents. My sister, however, gave birth to a gorgeous and incredible baby girl 2 years ago and has since raised her, all the while NOT being married. And you know what, her boyfriend, the father of my niece, has been there every moment of every day since her birth. Further, both my sister and her boyfriend have college bachelor's degrees. My sister also just received her master's on Sunday and is an extremely successful special education teacher and very, very good at her job. Neither her nor her boyfriend sit at home collecting welfare, and my niece is being raised as well as any child could ever hope for.

Out of all of my close friends, I am the only one that was raised by both parents. Want to know what all of my close friends have accomplished? You know, the ones who apparently, having been raised by single parents, won't achieve anything in life? I'll share. One just graduated with a degree in Biology and is moving on to Physical Therapy school in the Fall, another will graduate with a degree in Electrical Engineering this upcoming Spring, one wrote all of the music for his high school's marching band and is now approaching massive success as a music producer, one will begin his program in Psychology in the Fall, and one has been touring the country as the Bassist for a band for several months now.

The point in sharing all of that is right here, surrounding me are several examples of people that DO NOT fit this bullshit statistic that you feel the need to throw in peoples' faces. The simple fact is, statistics do not represent the real people who fall outside of them. If this many successful people can surround me, a guy from a tiny, insignificant town that tends to produce nothing but Wal-Mart employees and drug addicts, there is no way, not a chance in hell, that kids raised outside of wedlock, or by single parents, or by parents without college degrees, are incapable of achieving big things. In fact, it's not even all that uncommon.

Jackass.

 

[Esquire0399]

x100

Anyway, this is purely circumstantial. I'm sure many people with two-parent households will let you know that it's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. It's going to boil down to the individuals involved.

Exactly. We spend so much less time looking at children brought up in two-parent households and devote so much effort towards studying the easy targets, the obvious risk factors, that we fail to realize that so, so many of the problems prevalent in single-parents situations also exist, quite heavily, in ideal circumstances (two-parent households). It's all so skewed.

 

[Lostlover]

Your sister is an outlier. Out of curiosity, how many US presidents were born out of wedlock? Or CEOs of Fortune 500 companies?

See where I'm going? I read a study about four years ago, that found that race and socioeconomic backgrounds were meaningless when the child was born in a two parent home. Whites, blacks, rich and poor all had the same "success" levels just by having two parents that decided to tie the knot instead of playing house.

Ps: I'll get that study for you when I get to a PC.

Are you serious with this? Are you fucking serious with this? Before anyone even questions my intention with this, yes I am taking the bait and yes I am pissed. I don't fell bad and I certainly don't regret it.

Basically what you've done here is take a statistic and apply it to the entirety of a population. Not that I expect anything more of an asshole like you.

My sister and I were born and raised by married parents. My sister, however, gave birth to a gorgeous and incredible baby girl 2 years ago and has since raised her, all the while NOT being married. And you know what, her boyfriend, the father of my niece, has been there every moment of every day since her birth. Further, both my sister and her boyfriend have college bachelor's degrees. My sister also just received her master's on Sunday and is an extremely successful special education teacher and very, very good at her job. Neither her nor her boyfriend sit at home collecting welfare, and my niece is being raised as well as any child could ever hope for.

Out of all of my close friends, I am the only one that was raised by both parents. Want to know what all of my close friends have accomplished? You know, the ones who apparently, having been raised by single parents, won't achieve anything in life? I'll share. One just graduated with a degree in Biology and is moving on to Physical Therapy school in the Fall, another will graduate with a degree in Electrical Engineering this upcoming Spring, one wrote all of the music for his high school's marching band and is now approaching massive success as a music producer, one will begin his program in Psychology in the Fall, and one has been touring the country as the Bassist for a band for several months now.

The point in sharing all of that is right here, surrounding me are several examples of people that DO NOT fit this bullshit statistic that you feel the need to throw in peoples' faces. The simple fact is, statistics do not represent the real people who fall outside of them. If this many successful people can surround me, a guy from a tiny, insignificant town that tends to produce nothing but Wal-Mart employees and drug addicts, there is no way, not a chance in hell, that kids raised outside of wedlock, or by single parents, or by parents without college degrees, are incapable of achieving big things. In fact, it's not even all that uncommon.

Jackass.

 

[Esquire0399]

Your sister is an outlier. Out of curiosity, how many US presidents were born out of wedlock? Or CEOs of Fortune 500 companies?

See where I'm going? I read a study about four years ago, that found that race and socioeconomic backgrounds were meaningless when the child was born in a two parent home. Whites, blacks, rich and poor all had the same "success" levels just by having two parents that decided to tie the knot instead of playing house.

Ps: I'll get that study for you when I get to a PC.

Any study claiming that people brought up in two-parent households achieve the same success regardless of race, socioeconomic status, etc. is questionable at best, utter bullshit at worst. We both live in America. Don't (pretend to) be that naive.

I'm going to bed.

 

[Ninja108]

It's the gays fault, don't you know?
Once gays are forbidden from having any rights,out of wedlock kids and single parent homes will vanish overnight

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Seriously? People put more thought into getting pets these days than rearing children. Sub teaching for my local district, I can tell you the worst kids are born out of wedlock and live in a single parent home. And when you call home, it's either the mom without a job and several smaller kids or a grandparent answering the phone.

Seriously, how can people just pop out kids with shitty or no jobs? This includes mormons too. And then hope for the best? And then hope for teachers to raise these bad ass children?

I remember in American government senior year, my teacher was absolutely disgusted with how badly the kids were raised. And he's a die hard liberal. He asked us how many had two parents with degrees from universities. I was the only one out of about 35 to raise my hand. He was also perplexed at how much money the kids were spending on graduation. On things like tuxes, gowns, limos and photographers. And not one thought went into paying for college.

What's happened to this country?

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[PrettyWings]

The things some of you write/say. I won't indulge.

 

[Mrbrightside976]

 

[gsdx]

It's not really surprising when the government rewards young mothers for having children. They can be quite the lucrative business.

That's why Canada limits how many children it will support through welfare or Mother's Allowance. (It's either 2 or 3.)

 

[Lostlover]

I'm still in school. Thanks for wondering. I interned at a start up that recently raised $130 million to start operations. And if I stick it out, me being the only one under 60 at the organization and with talks of revenue sharing, I see a future with a lot of $$$.

Of course you can't help the conditions you were born in. However, I'm sure when people meet you they're not aware of "situation." So let's please throw the class prejudice garbage out the window. I've put the blame squarely on the parents. Seriously, just having a mother keep her legs closed until a wedding increases chances of college graduation. Something so simple. And I'm glad my parents did it the right way. I grew up thinking kids had parents like mine. I learned in high school that the parents were shacking up, playing house and then putting these problem children out on society. I can speak from personal experience, it's an absolute mess.

This is why I generally work in special education. The parents are more involved in their children's education and they're usually married. Makes life much easier.

And don't get me started on adopting children. Children that are adopted do better than even ones raised in two parent homes. I attribute that to having two parents that are eager to parent. They actually want to be a positive influence in that child's life. They didn't have the kid on a one night stand or just because the mom has ovaries.

Lostloser, your syllogisms are way off.

Gerald Ford was adopted -- so there's a pretty good likelihood he was born out of wedlock.

And you confuse class prejudice with good parenting. Who was your teacher to embarrass his students for their parents not being college-educated? Since when did that become some litmus test for good parenting?

While you're on the subject of U.S. Presidents, I'll take that category for $1,000. How many of their parents had college degrees?

As a person who was born a bastard, I know that the main reason why most of them would not have been CEOs or elected officials; it is more due to the bigotry and class snobbery you espouse rather than some inherent limitation.

Poor is poor, period. People struggle and succeed, sometimes raised by a single parent, sometimes by grandparents, and sometimes by two parents.

I'd much rather have been born a bastard and have a good excuse for it than to have been born in a privileged position like you, and then have become one, as you obviously have.

For all your breeding and education, it seems like you would be doing better than a substitute teacher.

 

[Lostlover]

It's the gays fault, don't you know?
Once gays are forbidden from having any rights,out of wedlock kids and single parent homes will vanish overnight

Which makes it worse when you consider there are gay couples willing to adopt a child with no home. While you have people out there popping out kids, a lot of times with different last names, and unloading them on public schools that have kids with parents that have their acts together. It's a bad mix, children with immature parents and children with responsible parents.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

I'm still in school. Thanks for wondering. I interned at a start up that recently raised $130 million to start operations. And if I stick it out, me being the only one under 60 at the organization and with talks of revenue sharing, I see a future with a lot of $$$.

Of course you can't help the conditions you were born in. However, I'm sure when people meet you they're not aware of "situation." So let's please throw the class prejudice garbage out the window. I've put the blame squarely on the parents. Seriously, just having a mother keep her legs closed until a wedding increases chances of college graduation. Something so simple. And I'm glad my parents did it the right way. I grew up thinking kids had parents like mine. I learne in high school they were whacking up, playing house and then putting these problem children out on society. I can speak from personal experience, it's an absolute mess.

This is why I generally work in special education. The parents are more involved in their children's education and they're usually married. Makes like much easier.

And don't get me started on adopting children. Children that are adopted do better than even ones raised in two parents home. I attribute that to having two parents that are eager to parent. They actually want to be a positive influence in that child's life. They didn't have the kid on a one night stand or just because the mom has ovaries.

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[Lukeee]

I can understand how having two parents improve a child's life but I don't understand how their parents being married does.

My parents aren't married but they have been together forever. I don't think it would make any difference to me if they were married.

I think the number of siblings matters too. An only child with a single parent probably receives a lot more attention than a child with 8 siblings in a two parents family.

 

[Lostlover]

I can understand how having two parents improve a child's life but I don't understand how their parents being married does.

My parents aren't married but they have been together forever. I don't think it would make any difference to me if they were married.

I think the number of siblings matters too. An only child with a single parent probably receives a lot more attention than a child with 8 siblings in a two parents family.

All that matters on some level. I remember my brother telling me that in med school like 70% of the students were the first born and not one was the last born. I'd guess maybe this was so because the first born is given the most attention?

They really should have asked how many were born out of wedlock. Right now as it stands, it's zero percent for presidents born out of wedlock.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

All that matters on some level. I remember my brother telling me that in med school like 70% of the students were the first born and not one was the last born. I'd guess maybe this was so because the first born is given the most attention?

They really should have asked how many were born out of wedlock. Right now as it stands, it's zero percent for presidents born out of wedlock.

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[Lostlover]

So today is blanket generalizations day.

My niece is 35 and is a single parent of 3 kids, all were born out of wedlock, all 3 have turned out just fine. I can see that it is extremely difficult being a single parent, not only financially but time-wise as well. The stress is enormous when there's only one adult in the household. But I don't think it necessarily means the result is "bad ass children."

Of course not all children born out of wedlock are bad. I didn't say that.

But imagine the frustration calling home and speaking with one parent, usually a mother. And imagine calling home from a high school aged male. They generally don't listen to their mothers as much as their fathers, who are usually MIA.