South Carolina cop who shot unarmed black man is actually going to prison

[fabulouslyghetto]

And the case of Daniel Shaver, the Officer has been acquitted of any wrong doing. Even though he was unarmed and crawling on the ground.

Of course the Officer “feared for his life and others.”

How do people expect people like me to trust Police or our “Justice” System when shit like this keeps happening? People are delusional.

At the risk of sounding crass, blacks have been trying to warn non-blacks for the longest time. Every time you "Well he should've complied" and "Police have a hard job" and "He wouldn't have shot him for no reason" and "The jury acquitted him, end of story" you legitimize police violence and I've said on more than one occasion that unfortunately some people just won't get it until it happens to their aunt or cousin or someone who looks like them. NOW it's real because it isn't just happening to brown people.

I can't help but notice the stark contrast in responses across social media, with Trayvon and Sean and Walter and Philandro it was "Well he should've....." "If he wasn't....." now it's "That poor kid" and "He was so scared" and "He was just trying to pull his pants up" and "That cop was a meanyhead mcpoopoo pants."

That said... maybe NOW would be an appropriate time to question why there is such a strikingly low conviction rate for police officers who, contrary to popular belief, are not super beings rather regular ole human beings in uniforms.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Thanks, you saved me having to respond to his post quoting mine. The sad fact is if there had been no video footage, both from his own cam, and that of a private citizen then he may well have gotten away with murder. Even though he emptied his sidearm into a suspects back.

This. All day this.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

The worst part is that all this stuff is always put on the victims, they say the victims should have done this and that. Why shouldn’t the police have done better? They’re the ones that should be better even when someone resists arrests or doesn’t comply. Even in these actual situations where this stuff happens it doesn’t excuse the excessive force that these officers generally use.

 

[Benvolio]

At the risk of sounding crass, blacks have been trying to warn non-blacks for the longest time. Every time you "Well he should've complied" and "Police have a hard job" and "He wouldn't have shot him for no reason" and "The jury acquitted him, end of story" you legitimize police violence and I've said on more than one occasion that unfortunately some people just won't get it until it happens to their aunt or cousin or someone who looks like them. NOW it's real because it isn't just happening to brown people.

I can't help but notice the stark contrast in responses across social media, with Trayvon and Sean and Walter and Philandro it was "Well he should've....." "If he wasn't....." now it's "That poor kid" and "He was so scared" and "He was just trying to pull his pants up" and "That cop was a meanyhead mcpoopoo pants."

That said... maybe NOW would be an appropriate time to question why there is such a strikingly low conviction rate for police officers who, contrary to popular belief, are not super beings rather regular ole human beings in uniforms.

The policeman and the civilian are not playing a game on an level playing field. The policeman has legal rights and powers the rest of us do not have. He is entitled to carry a weapon. He is expected and obligated to protect the public even if he has to place himself in danger. He is entitled to arrest on probable cause to believe an individual has committed a crime. Others have an obligation to follow his orders, and it is a felony to resist arrest or to flee to avoid arrest. Assaulting an officer is a felony. He is entitled to use deadly force if he reasonably believes that he is immediate danger. And a policeman, as any defendant can only be convicted by evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. The cards are intentionally stacked in his favor.
I have the impression that some people believe it should be a fair fight between equals, but that is not the case.
That said, multiple shots in the back cannot be justified as self defense.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

The worst part is that all this stuff is always put on the victims, they say the victims should have done this and that. Why shouldn’t the police have done better? They’re the ones that should be better even when someone resists arrests or doesn’t comply. Even in these actual situations where this stuff happens it doesn’t excuse the excessive force that these officers generally use.

This is our culture now. "Shoot em. No matter what the situation is, shoot em. Just kill em, we got your back." Nevermind that a disproportionate amount of people who interact with police suffer from mental illness, just shoot em. And honestly a common denominator I've noticed in a lot of these shootings is attitude, that "I'm a cop" attitude. Mind you I'm from Chicago so I didn't exactly grow up around everybody hugging and singing the Barney "I love you, you love me" song, but these cops with these smart-ass mouths I just don't get it. "Look, shut the fuck up and do what I told you," that arrogance makes me sick and it's present in a lot of these shootings. But I digress.

 

[Kulindahr]

This is the outcome I predicted on another board: that he would get to plea out and probably get hit with just the civil rights violation under the cover of law charge, when he really should have gotten that, obstruction of justice, brutality, and unnecessary use of force at the least.

Cops have been doing this to poor people, regardless of color, pretty much forever. Thanks primarily to two things -- the "War of Drugs" and the militarization of police forces -- they now do it to just about anyone. There is another factor, too: when people are on probation or parole, they are required to do ANYTHING a law officer tells them, and increasingly that isn't limited to legal orders, either. That license to be thugs can't help but carry over into attitudes toward the rest of the public. And on top of that is the awareness that with all the laws on the books, it's hard not to break ones without knowing (c.f. Three Felonies a Day, a book about federal prosecutors), with a result that cops start to regard everyone as a criminal.

There was, BTW, a glimmer of hope last year when a guy who shot a cop breaking into his house got exonerated; the cops had the wrong address, and the information was from just one anonymous tip, and they got a judge to authorize a no-knock warrant. If you're breaking into someone's house, in the dark of night, with a gun, in camo, you should expect to get shot!


Anyway, it's good this guy took a fall. It's tragic that a half dozen others who should have gone down didn't.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

This is the outcome I predicted on another board: that he would get to plea out and probably get hit with just the civil rights violation under the cover of law charge, when he really should have gotten that, obstruction of justice, brutality, and unnecessary use of force at the least.

Cops have been doing this to poor people, regardless of color, pretty much forever. Thanks primarily to two things -- the "War of Drugs" and the militarization of police forces -- they now do it to just about anyone. There is another factor, too: when people are on probation or parole, they are required to do ANYTHING a law officer tells them, and increasingly that isn't limited to legal orders, either. That license to be thugs can't help but carry over into attitudes toward the rest of the public. And on top of that is the awareness that with all the laws on the books, it's hard not to break ones without knowing (c.f. Three Felonies a Day, a book about federal prosecutors), with a result that cops start to regard everyone as a criminal.

There was, BTW, a glimmer of hope last year when a guy who shot a cop breaking into his house got exonerated; the cops had the wrong address, and the information was from just one anonymous tip, and they got a judge to authorize a no-knock warrant. If you're breaking into someone's house, in the dark of night, with a gun, in camo, you should expect to get shot!


Anyway, it's good this guy took a fall. It's tragic that a half dozen others who should have gone down didn't.

It's almost like they saw this thread and were like "Oh yeah bitch?!" Right on cue the cop in Arizona was acquitted.

 

[Kulindahr]

It's almost like they saw this thread and were like "Oh yeah bitch?!" Right on cue the cop in Arizona was acquitted.

Our system has it backwards: cops should be held to higher standards. It should be very simple: if an ordinary armed citizen had done the shooting, would he be guilty? If so, then the cop is guilty.

I saw an article where a reporter made that very comparison, and he came up with six instances just while Trump has been president where the cops should have been convicted, by that standard -- one in Oklahoma and one in Minnesota included.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Our system has it backwards: cops should be held to higher standards. It should be very simple: if an ordinary armed citizen had done the shooting, would he be guilty? If so, then the cop is guilty.

I saw an article where a reporter made that very comparison, and he came up with six instances just while Trump has been president where the cops should have been convicted, by that standard -- one in Oklahoma and one in Minnesota included.

My favorite argument is "Black people kill in such-and-such numbers" and "Blah Blah percent of killers are black thugs." Umm, so is that the bar for our nation's cops? We are to hold them to the same standard as violent criminals? I guess it makes sense since that's what a lot of them are. Difference is when citizens kill someone they go to prison. Few things legitimately frighten me more than this police state we're in where they kill with impunity. Theoretically any one of us could end up dead just for being near the vicinity of an emergency call involving firearms. Someone who is really sinister and wants to set someone up to die could probably arrange that with just the right circumstances, call cops, tell em so-and-so has a gun and the cops will take it from there. On social media I'm still seeing lots of "Just follow their orders and you'll live."

 

[Benvolio]

Our system has it backwards: cops should be held to higher standards. It should be very simple: if an ordinary armed citizen had done the shooting, would he be guilty? If so, then the cop is guilty.

I saw an article where a reporter made that very comparison, and he came up with six instances just while Trump has been president where the cops should have been convicted, by that standard -- one in Oklahoma and one in Minnesota included.

Who would become a cop under such a standard? He is obligated to inject himself into dangerous situations, shoot it out with the criminal and then be judged by armchair cops as though he had time to think about it over days or weeks,often with evidence not available to the cop.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Who would become a cop under such a standard?

People who want to serve and protect and don't have intentions of using the badge as a shield from accountability. This is only a problem for the cowboys, racists and adrenaline junkies who become cops because Call of Duty has lost its luster.

 

[Benvolio]

People who want to serve and protect and don't have intentions of using the badge as a shield from accountability. This is only a problem for the cowboys, racists and adrenaline junkies who become cops because Call of Duty has lost its luster.

No, all or virtually all of the incidents involve cops who thought they were acting in self defense. As you know, a third of black men spend time in the pen. Remember Jesse Jackson famously saying that he is relieved, upon hearing footstep to turn and see they are awhite person. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...t-this-stage&usg=AOvVaw0E19h4uPfdUyXwVW_ZnwQ0

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

No, all or virtually all of the incidents involve cops who thought they were acting in self defense. As you know, a third of black men spend time in the pen. Remember Jesse Jackson famously saying that he is relieved, upon hearing footstep to turn and see they are awhite person. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...t-this-stage&usg=AOvVaw0E19h4uPfdUyXwVW_ZnwQ0

Quoting an opportunistic worm like Jesse Jackson, either you aren't aware that he's a sell-out or else you've welcomed him into the white nationalist fold. How's his illegitimate lovechild he had behind his wife's back doing?

ANYWAY......

Legitimizing fear of black men to justify police killing unarmed men? Are you testing the mods to see just how racist you can be without gettiing an infraction or are you a genuine confederate flag-waving alt right white supremacist? I haven't figured out.

Oh, and not for nothing, quoting statistics about black imprisonment minus acknowledgment of the well-documented slants against minorities from the "justice system" (for instance blacks are more likely than their white counterparts to be imprisoned for the same infractions) only works on people who aren't aware of how fucked up the system is and how big of a boner people such as yourself get when you get to strip a black man of his freedom (along with his right to vote and carry firearms).

 

[Kulindahr]

Who would become a cop under such a standard? He is obligated to inject himself into dangerous situations, shoot it out with the criminal and then be judged by armchair cops as though he had time to think about it over days or weeks,often with evidence not available to the cop.

People used to be cops under that standard. They had integrity and honor.

Why should cops get to shoot to kill in situations where the rest of us don't? Allowing that is just begging for thugs to sign up to be cops.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

People used to be cops under that standard. They had integrity and honor.

Why should cops get to shoot to kill in situations where the rest of us don't? Allowing that is just begging for thugs to sign up to be cops.

Isn't that where we already are?

 

[Kulindahr]

Isn't that where we already are?

Yes.

 

[Kulindahr]

My favorite argument is "Black people kill in such-and-such numbers" and "Blah Blah percent of killers are black thugs." Umm, so is that the bar for our nation's cops? We are to hold them to the same standard as violent criminals? I guess it makes sense since that's what a lot of them are. Difference is when citizens kill someone they go to prison. Few things legitimately frighten me more than this police state we're in where they kill with impunity. Theoretically any one of us could end up dead just for being near the vicinity of an emergency call involving firearms. Someone who is really sinister and wants to set someone up to die could probably arrange that with just the right circumstances, call cops, tell em so-and-so has a gun and the cops will take it from there. On social media I'm still seeing lots of "Just follow their orders and you'll live."

I just waded in and slammed a guy on a different board today for this very argument. It drives me up the wall not just because it's justifying cops being barbarians but because I get so very tired of pointing out that statistically it isn't being black but being poor in the inner city that correlates most closely with violence and killing (in fact I've seen figures that indicate that poor white extremists are no different in the rate of violence than young blacks... and boy does pointing that out piss them off!).

As for being really sinister: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/06/opinion/swatting-fbi.html

 

[Benvolio]

I just waded in and slammed a guy on a different board today for this very argument. It drives me up the wall not just because it's justifying cops being barbarians but because I get so very tired of pointing out that statistically it isn't being black but being poor in the inner city that correlates most closely with violence and killing (in fact I've seen figures that indicate that poor white extremists are no different in the rate of violence than young blacks... and boy does pointing that out piss them off!).

As for being really sinister: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/06/opinion/swatting-fbi.html

Nevertheless, when a cop is confronted by a black man, there is a 33% chance he is a felon and a high probability he has a gun. Those probabilities are higher in some neighborhoods. That is the whole problem. The cops have to assume he has a gun, and make split second decisions. So there is a lot of room for mistakes.
When you argue more whites should go to jail etc, etc or that too many blacks are sent away, it really is not relevant to this issue. The cop has to make his instantaneous decision based on how the world it, not what it aught to be.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Nevertheless, when a cop is confronted by a black man, there is a 33% chance he is a felon and a high probability he has a gun. Those probabilities are higher in some neighborhoods. That is the whole problem. The cops have to assume he has a gun, and make split second decisions. So there is a lot of room for mistakes.

Yeah, most black people run around foodstamps card in one hand, gun in the other so your post is totally legit and not racist propoganda at all.