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split in the Anglican Church?

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By ELIZABETH A. KENNEDY, Associated Press Writer 20 minutes ago


Anglican leaders demanded Monday that the U.S. Episcopal Church unequivocally bar official prayers for gay couples and the consecration of more gay bishops to undo the damage that North Americans have caused the Anglican family.
In a statement ending a tense six-day meeting, the leaders said that past pledges by Episcopalians for a moratorium on gay unions and consecrations have been so ambiguous that they have failed to fully mend "broken relationships" in the 77 million-member Anglican Communion.
The Episcopal Church, the U.S. wing of world Anglicanism, must clarify its position by Sept. 30 or its relations with other Anglicans will remain "damaged at best."
"This has consequences for the full participation of the church in the life of the communion," the leaders said.
The meeting in Tanzania was the latest of several attempts to keep Anglicans unified despite deep rifts over how they should interpret the Bible. The long-simmering debate erupted in 2003 when Episcopalians consecrated the first openly gay bishop, V. Gene Robinson of New Hampshire.
Anglican traditionalists believe gay relationships violate Scripture and they have demanded that the U.S. church adhere to that teaching or face discipline.
Supporters of ordaining gays believe biblical teachings on justice and inclusion should take precedence. They have accused theological conservatives of demanding a conformity among Anglicans that never before existed. The communion was founded in the 16th century by King Henry VIII and spread worldwide by the British Empire.
Discussions at the closed-door gathering this past week were so highly charged that drafting the final statement for the 38 Anglican provinces took hours longer than expected.
In 2005, Anglican leaders had asked the Episcopal Church to temporarily stop electing gay bishops and developing official prayer services for same-sex couples.
The top Episcopal policy making body, called General Convention, responded by asking church leaders to "exercise restraint by not consenting to the consecration" of candidates for bishop "whose manner of life presents a challenge to the wider church." The request is not binding.
On official prayer services, the convention rejected proposals for a churchwide liturgy for gay partners. However, a small number of U.S. dioceses have moved toward developing local prayers and some dioceses have allowed priests to conduct the ceremonies privately.
Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, the spiritual leader of the communion, does not have direct authority to force a compromise. He said the requests contained in the document released Monday "will certainly fall very short of resolving all the disputes, but will provide a way of moving forward with dignity."
Canon Kendall Harmon of the Diocese of South Carolina, a leader among Episcopal traditionalists, said the document "is not everything I would have wanted," but he was encouraged that Anglican leaders "made specific calls with specific deadlines."
However, the advocacy group Integrity, which represents Episcopal gays and lesbians, accused the leaders of bigotry, and urged Episcopalians to lobby their bishops to reject the demands.
Episcopal Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori, who supports gay relationships, said in a brief statement after she left the meeting that talks among Anglicans must continue.
The final statement from Anglican leaders expressed worry over feuding within the Episcopal Church and the wider communion. Some U.S. parishes have left the Episcopal Church to affiliate with Anglicans in Africa. Nigerian Archbishop Peter Akinola has set up a network for conservative U.S. parishes as a rival to the Episcopal Church. Lawsuits have been filed over Virginia-area churches that joined with Akinola and want to take their property with them.
Anglican leaders called on all sides in the conflict to end their lawsuits and recommended the creation of a pastoral council and a special vicar to oversee the minority of conservative U.S. dioceses and parishes that feel they cannot accept Jefferts Schori's leadership. Among the goals of the plan is to create an alternative so U.S. parishes stop affiliating with overseas Anglicans — a violation of communion tradition.

Anglican leaders also released a draft set of common principles meant to allow Anglican provinces to remain independent, but recognize their actions have an impact on each other.
The proposed Anglican Covenant, which will likely be revised before it is finalized years from now, states that a church could lose full membership in "extreme circumstances" but could take steps to regain its full member status. ___


We do seem to cause a lot of trouble don't we:gogirl:
 
Here in Oz there is talk of the Anglican and Catholic Churches merging. I don't know any details, but I wonder if it is related to this too?
 
Again that church temporal vs the Church spiritual split. If the "church" leaders would follow the directive to love as Christ loved & stop worrying about the mot in my eye, maybe their leadership might inspire more followers. JC warned against the false shepherds, & boy are there a lot of them running around
 
Again that church temporal vs the Church spiritual split. If the "church" leaders would follow the directive to love as Christ loved & stop worrying about the mot in my eye, maybe their leadership might inspire more followers. JC warned against the false shepherds, & boy are there a lot of them running around
Homosexuality aside, it is that very same "everything goes" spirit that has decimated mainline Protestant churches since the 1960s.
 
Sorry for the delay Wentworth, but "anything goes"? I'm not Cole Porter, just readin' my "Good Book". JC was the very accepting guy who questioned the "exclusiveness" of the pharisees. And the Sin of that "Good Book" is the effort of creation to usurp the Creator's authority to judge what was made. If more "religious" leaders would just say "Have mercy upon me, a sinner", more religious groups would stop worrying about everyone else & focus on being followers of JC's teachings.
 
From the perspective of what I've learned from ancient Christianity, they aren't even doing theology. As an Eastern Orthodox priest explained it, all theology begins with "Who was Jesus?" I don't see them working from that foundation at all, but instead arguing their favorite piece from systematic theology -- which is ironic, because that isn't a very systematic way to do things.
In this matter especially that question is critical, for the priest stands in the place of Christ to the congregation. The question has to be who is qualified to re-present Christ in the public ministry of the church.
 
BRAVO Kulinahr. Who among us is worthy to be CHRIST? Maybe focusing on one's own sinfulness might (Stress Might) slow down the urge to condemn others & lead to the knowledge that HE died for ALL & no one has a "special" relationship w/ the big JC. The Creator grants "grace" not humankind.
 
Take it from me.
An Anglican, Episcopalian. It won't happen.
American money in world mission work is too vital.
Remember you heard it here.
Message for us,
money is our friend in this struggle.
Thanks you sweet Jesus!..|:wave:
 
Damn you, Shepherd2 for reminding one that MONEY is the major control of current "religion. Yet , the LORD will out, & LOVE is my lord's gift - not money (& my bank account reflects that fact). I just hope the anglican faith can overcome those noisy few who ignore the "church" & SHOUT their venom so loudly!
 
Take it from me.
An Anglican, Episcopalian. It won't happen.
American money in world mission work is too vital.
Remember you heard it here.
Message for us,
money is our friend in this struggle.
Thanks you sweet Jesus!..|:wave:

Wouldn't the Episcopalian church be better off spliting from the other Anglican churches - as they seem to have very different beliefs in a lot of areas?

It does seem a bit of a strained marriage between churches if money is the only thing which stops the conservative ones beating up the progressive ones.

Ive never met any African bishops - but they sound rather cynical - if they would agree to support what they think is an abominable sin just for a few dollars (though maybe its a lot of dollars!)
 
the days of American money buying what they want are over

wishing and hoping and thinking and praying won't change the reality that the American Episcopal Church has allowed ittself to b encroached on from without and within and with a not supportive Canterbury may well find themselves forced to knuckle or split
 
the days of American money buying what they want are over

wishing and hoping and thinking and praying won't change the reality that the American Episcopal Church has allowed ittself to b encroached on from without and within and with a not supportive Canterbury may well find themselves forced to knuckle or split

Nice summation of my take on it, too.
 
the days of American money buying what they want are over

wishing and hoping and thinking and praying won't change the reality that the American Episcopal Church has allowed ittself to b encroached on from without and within and with a not supportive Canterbury may well find themselves forced to knuckle or split

MMM - I guess I may be wrong - so maybe the Episcoplians are OK - never underestimate the power of money to subvert third world bishops - sure they'll have a hard time telling their flock that being gay is OK and that Women are sort of almost equal - but all those lovely dollars are real tempting
 
Money is indeed at the root of the impending train wreck. But it cuts both ways.

Howard Ahmanson and the Institute for Religion and Democracy are bankrolling the conservative side, providing the money for the (right-thinking) African bishops to jet around the world to denounce liberals. Jim Naughton's series "Follow the Money" (which is probably posted somewhere on http://www.episcopalcafe.com) untangles much of the twisted financial web.

On the liberal side, the Episcopal Church provides the vast majority of the funding for the Anglican Consultative Council, the Anglican Communion Office in London, and a good many AIDS and development programs in the Global South. Trinity Church Wall Street is another major source of funding for such programs.
 
MMM - I guess I may be wrong - so maybe the Episcoplians are OK - never underestimate the power of money to subvert third world bishops - sure they'll have a hard time telling their flock that being gay is OK and that Women are sort of almost equal - but all those lovely dollars are real tempting

somehow I suspect that those in high positions in places like Nigeria are rather awash in cash
 
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