standards and decency, gentlemen

[Andreus]

this forum is becoming littered with hack peices parading as serious articles

I think it may be time to discuss what we expect from each other, what we all consider acceptable sources, and what we want the thread starter to do with the prefix codes if they are either parodies or Op Ed peices.

I do occasionally post parody pieces and op ed pieces, but i am carefull to try and mark them as such. one recently got through on me from time, so i'm not saying im perfect or that its not understandable to make mistakes sometimes

there comes a time when you have to have a discussion about things to make sure we have standards and that they are being met.

my opinions and ideas....

the thread prefixes are an invaluable tool that help us all know what the perspective the thread is aiming for.

op eds are allowable but we need to knw thats what they are....

as for humor... vanmans posting of a thread that he marked serious and on topic about hillary clinton which was, in fact, a satire is simply below the standards of what we are and what we can do here.

if you are posting a poll or source that has an admitted and documented questionable nature as to its validity as a real news source, we need to know that as well.

 

[Centexfarmer]

It's interesting how quickly many of us jumped to post in that thread, myself included, without bothering to check any of the facts or sources of the piece provided.

I would suggest that we ignore Op | Ed pieces that don't provide sources or links, at the very least, or request the original poster to provide sources.

Otherwise post at your own peril.

Not everyone who posts here are aware of how to use the options available to them when posting.

This icon allows you to provide a URL of a .jpeg file.

This icon allows you to post copied text from a website into your thread.

This icon allows you to highlight text, then to link a URL to go to the source of that text.

Keep in mind, that these are things that moderators can only suggest that people do, but it's difficult to enforce "standards, and decency," and frankly it's the most tiring thing that the moderators of this website are asked to do.

Honestly I expect people to take ownership of their threads.

You posted, you own it.

We build our reputations as posters here based upon what we post as threads, and how we respond to other member's threads.

As I explained to one of the site owners the other day, as a moderator I cannot be the custodian of other members reputations, but I can enforce the Code of Conduct, and attempt to fairly enforce the Rules of Engagement.

The content of Current Events & Politics is up to members who post in it.

Here's a chance to discuss what those standards should be.

As a reminder this is an On-Topic thread.

No hitting below the belt, to gouging out of eyes...

 

[Nishin]

I think it may be time to discuss what we expect from each other, what we all consider acceptable sources, and what we want the thread starter to do with the prefix codes if they are either parodies or Op Ed peices.

I'm not too sure if I understood the reason for this thread... is it exclusively about technical issues such as thread tags and standards for quotations? ... or what we expect from one another regarding general conduct in the forum?
I will assume the latter and ask as a prequisite for this question this other one: why do we come here in the first place?

To which I will answer that I personally come here because I'm quite interested in learning about other people' visions and understanding of the world we live in, or learning about the differences between our respective life-styles, environments, cultural, political and ideological heritages... it's not really for the precise political issues debated here and there since one has to admit they tend to always be the same in the way that basically any event is just an excuse to say the same thing(s)... in the majority of the threads posted every day, after being here for a while, one can already guess who will react and what they will say... which, don't get me wrong, is not especially a bad thing, we all need some constancy...

However I do regret that partisanship, parroting and denigration more than often make the most of a given thread rather than analyzing and debating ideas... but I guess one can't always apply the same objectivity to politics as is the usual standard in other sciences... which leads me to Andreus' (assumed) question: as I said the reason I'm here is to get informed not on facts (this is not a news agency or something) but on how people I share a sense of communion with will analyze it... and because of that, I do have expectations that are not always met by fellow posters, which tends to irritate the hell out of me. I am not expecting people to share my point of view, I'm not here for being right (in my analyses), self-glorification or making friends and therefore don't expect to be treated as such...

But what I expect is HONESTY and ACCURACY... I deem these to be not only very important but NECESSARY to effective communication. As so, I really hate when someone posts irrelevant, derogatory, unverified, plain false comments/allegations/propaganda just for the sake of ... (arguing?? ... I actually don't know/understand why people do that).
That results in most of my own posts being basically rebuttals of these statements, which some may mistakingly interpret as aggressivity, I guess because I don't care wrapping my comments in sugar... of course I've been reproached this here and there, but I don't really care, I only wish people in general wouldn't take things for more than what they actually are (and I'm not pretending not to be guilty of this occasionally either, but at least trying).

So to answer the original question more concisely, what I expect from people would be to please CHECK your facts before posting so not to waste everybody's time or encourage (sometimes necessary and/or off-topic) highjacking of threads.

Oh and also a bit of re-reading one's posts can't harm I know this is just an internet board and that the message is more important than its form, but I think respecting basic grammar and syntax rules is a mark of respect for one's readership. Of course no-one (including me) is perfect and typo-free but I tend to give little credit to someone who (this is just an example) can't master the basics of his own native language (ie: your/you're and alike) and yet whine about it not being the land's official one... this is such a joke...

On a side note, I wish the edit time frame was a couple dozen minutes longer for it sometimes does take a bit of time to check something you suddenly have a doubt about after it has been posted...

 

[Andreus]

interesting

a breif history of JUB...lol

a guy by the name of desert falcon used to post things, and then go back and edit after someone had answered... this caused great upset because at times he made it look like others were baiting him and arguing when in fact they were answering questions he'd asked.

interestingly... this guy came back as seapuppy, an uber conservative republican, and wreaked further havoc claiming that he was a retired war hero and vet until he was exposed as a nineteen year old college Freshmen by one of the site mods not assigned to CE&P.

but i digress...lol

the editting of post funtion had been abused, and that affected JUB in that the edit time was reset to ten minutes... most threads are not active enough for it to matter much longer than that, and ...

the people that answer posts now virtually always capture the post they are responding to for fear that their words may be taken out of context

thanks for your well thought out post, Nish

 

[Nishin]

^ Lol I actually took that capturing habit for the very same reason on another forum I frequent... and we also had similar issues with members abusing deletion/edit options resulting in the same limitation in their use... very annoying when you're a control-freak like moi

 

[Andreus]

The guy's actual name was desert falcon? Damn, I can't blame him for wanting to change it, but is seapuppy really better? I think I'd go with something like Matt or Rick or Lucious. But, I digress. No, on second thought, I don't. I didn't know that online forum reincarnation existed. Because I'm not really a Republican, I'm a lawn tractor. So, when you see me disappear and someone named JohnDeere posting, you'll know it's really me.

And, I thought out my post too, but...no thanks?

neither of your posts stated what you consider a good standard is nor what decent behavior would be.

if you answer the topic in this on topic thread i will thank you for doing so...

 

[69Strat]

The moderators seem to do a pretty good job at not micro-managing threads, so if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[Andreus]

The moderators seem to do a pretty good job at not micro-managing threads, so if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

we're not really talking about moderating the masses

we are talking about self moderation and what we would liek to see here to make our posting more enjoyable

theres a difference

mods look for people doing something wrong... i'm asking what doing somethign right looks like

 

[69Strat]

mods look for people doing something wrong... i'm asking what doing somethign right looks like

Touche.

 

[chance1]

Not sure that "standards and decency" is consistent with your "outing" of falcon/seapuppy whatever

an "uber conservative republican"

not consistent at all

I would suggest that your authoring this thread is the height of absurdity

 

[Andreus]

Not sure that "standards and decency" is consistent with your "outing" of falcon/seapuppy whatever

an "uber conservative republican"

not consistent at all

I would suggest that your authoring this thread is the height of absurdity

even in a thread about decency you cant stop baiting, chance

 

[Andreus]

another point we may want to weigh in on is thread titles

i am aware that if you want someone to read and post in your thread you have to make the title catchy, even edgy

where does the line exist between edgy and baity?

i dont know that i have the answer to that one

i know when the line has been crossed, but i cant describe it

 

[Andreus]

How would I possibly know what a good standard or decent behavior is?

I answered the thread in post 4, rambled on inanely in post 8 before begging for a compliment. I will do neither in this post, for now...I dance!

you're being uncharacteristically fun tonight

happy birthday, buddy

if this is how you are, we need to make every day at JUB CE&P your birthday

how about you give an honest answer?

what do you think is a good standard?

just one

 

[Centexfarmer]

Just one honest answer? Well, I suppose I can manage that. I'm usually this fun, it just usually comes across as much more smart ass than this. Now, it's turned to senility.

I think the free flow of ideas is the best standard on here, but if I had to pick one, it would be for everyone to have more intellectual honesty and less narrow minded partisanship. That's about it really.

Awe! That's sweet!

Now blow out the candles!

Next thing you know you'll be wishing for world peace, and shit.

 

[Andreus]

Just one honest answer? Well, I suppose I can manage that. I'm usually this fun, it just usually comes across as much more smart ass than this. Now, it's turned to senility.

I think the free flow of ideas is the best standard on here, but if I had to pick one, it would be for everyone to have more intellectual honesty and less narrow minded partisanship. That's about it really.

thanks for your thought out answer, buddy

and again...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

now you have democrat germs on your cheek....SHHH !!!!

 

[Centexfarmer]

I closed this thread, and is an example of how not to start a thread.

The Post Icon, and the Thread Prefix did not match the erroneous (which later proved to be satire) Op-Ed piece posted for comment.

Scroll up from here:

http://justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2536004#post2536004

It is up to each of us to question a source, if something doesn't ad up.

What's sad about the satire in that thread, is that it was beleivable.

It also pays to read most of the responses before responding directly to the original post.

Self-moderation works, but please don't go blaming the moderators because another member shows indecency, or doesn't post to your standards.

 

[springboksfan]

Just one honest answer? Well, I suppose I can manage that. I'm usually this fun, it just usually comes across as much more smart ass than this. Now, it's turned to senility.

It's true. He really is a fun(ny) guy. Happy birthday, buddy.

 

[JayHawk]

I don't think you can moderate or even insinuate some sort of posting clarity. Our esteemed media outlets no longer do so why should we try a higher standard. I bit off a huge chunk of the last bullshit and chewed it.

I attribute most of my mistakes in that matter to sporadic posting and not paying attention to the news sources. I have been excited by the faux spring that showed up and my current promotion. No excuse though.

I think we need the ability to allow people to make either ignorant, malicious or facetious post. It accomplishes two goals. One it allows us to calibrate our sense of believe and maybe heighten the questioning attitude. In addition, it allows us to grade the probability of truth in future post by the OP.

Finally, kinda off the topic, but I am glad this was false. I had no idea how Lanceva would show his face after his deity jumped sides and honestly I love his pointed yet IMHO misguided opines.

 

[Andreus]

and hes majorly fuckable

that DOES count

 

[Andreus]

so what you're saying is.......