standards and decency, gentlemen

[opinterph]

… post at your own peril.

Not everyone who posts here are aware of how to use the options available to them when posting …


I expect people to take ownership of their threads.

You posted, you own it …

I think centexfarmer is more correct than he may realize.



Posting in a public forum is a form of publication. As such, it enables U.S. posters to exercise their right of free speech, while simultaneously incorporating certain responsibilities. We can debate whether JUB qualifies as a “public” forum; however, I tend to think it does. ~Even within a limited private forum, legal parameters exist to prevent certain practices.

The fact that you have the technical capacity to post something does not mean that you own it, though you may “own” the liability for doing so. I am seeing more and more copyright infringements in CE&P and I think we should consider the implications of this practice.


To begin, I suggest that JUB has created this forum to enable its users to publish their unique expressions relating to various “ideas, systems, or factual information.” As such, JUB provides an integral component relating to the “technical capacity” associated with our publications. JUB, through the actions of its moderators, also attempts to maintain a spirit of decorum that is appropriate to the nature of the online community which it sponsors; however, individual posters most-certainly retain the essence of their citizenship within the context of broader society. This broader affiliation carries various responsibilities relating to the act of publication and also suggests limitations upon what some of us apparently regard as “free” speech.

In any circumstance where a poster maliciously and inappropriately associates a particular publication with a recognized news agency, that poster creates a situation of personal legal liability to the agency for damage to that agency’s reputation. I suggest that anyone guilty of such an idiotic malfeasance proceed immediately to beg the hosting site to remove the offending post. HINT: Most large corporations consider their trademarks to be rather valuable assets and they retain special attorneys concerned exclusively with the protection of the integrity of the corporation’s identity.

For those who may have developed a habit of copying and pasting entire articles from recognized sources, I also suggest that you immediately cease and desist from this practice. Of course, I cannot be certain that some posters have not obtained permission to replicate copyrighted material, but I don’t recall ever seeing “used with permission” or anything similar here on JUB. Most news sources provide mechanisms to facilitate “online reprints.” For example:

For permission to reprint an AP story or to use AP material in online/electronic form: E-mail AP Digital: apdigital@ap.org, or fax 212-621-5488.

For web posting, reprint, transcript or licensing requests for CNN material, please contact licensing.agent@turner.com


United States copyright law includes a provision allowing the “fair use” of a particular work.

The distinction between “fair use” and infringement may be unclear and not easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely be taken without permission. Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission.

All of us “publishers” should take notice. ~Interestingly, it is yet untested in the courts if you have a legal right to quote another person’s public message when you reply to it in the same public forum.



Here is a link to an educationally-oriented discussion of fair use:

http://www.utsystem.edu/OGC/intellectualProperty/copypol2.htm#test


And here is what the U.S. Code defines as Remedies for infringement:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000504----000-.html

 

[JayHawk]

You look awesome hun.



I mean if your into that sort of thing. JK




**** Ok all I really had was a thinly diguised insult but at least it was cute! ****

 

[Andreus]

the AP is not interested in restricting the use of its articles in web forums

 

[Centexfarmer]

I think centexfarmer is more correct than he may realize.



Posting in a public forum is a form of publication. As such, it enables U.S. posters to exercise their right of free speech, while simultaneously incorporating certain responsibilities. We can debate whether JUB qualifies as a “public” forum; however, I tend to think it does. ~Even within a limited private forum, legal parameters exist to prevent certain practices.

The fact that you have the technical capacity to post something does not mean that you own it, though you may “own” the liability for doing so. I am seeing more and more copyright infringements in CE&P and I think we should consider the implications of this practice.


To begin, I suggest that JUB has created this forum to enable its users to publish their unique expressions relating to various “ideas, systems, or factual information.” As such, JUB provides an integral component relating to the “technical capacity” associated with our publications. JUB, through the actions of its moderators, also attempts to maintain a spirit of decorum that is appropriate to the nature of the online community which it sponsors; however, individual posters most-certainly retain the essence of their citizenship within the context of broader society. This broader affiliation carries various responsibilities relating to the act of publication and also suggests limitations upon what some of us apparently regard as “free” speech.

In any circumstance where a poster maliciously and inappropriately associates a particular publication with a recognized news agency, that poster creates a situation of personal legal liability to the agency for damage to that agency’s reputation. I suggest that anyone guilty of such an idiotic malfeasance proceed immediately to beg the hosting site to remove the offending post. HINT: Most large corporations consider their trademarks to be rather valuable assets and they retain special attorneys concerned exclusively with the protection of the integrity of the corporation’s identity.

For those who may have developed a habit of copying and pasting entire articles from recognized sources, I also suggest that you immediately cease and desist from this practice. Of course, I cannot be certain that some posters have not obtained permission to replicate copyrighted material, but I don’t recall ever seeing “used with permission” or anything similar here on JUB. Most news sources provide mechanisms to facilitate “online reprints.” For example:

For permission to reprint an AP story or to use AP material in online/electronic form: E-mail AP Digital: apdigital@ap.org, or fax 212-621-5488.

For web posting, reprint, transcript or licensing requests for CNN material, please contact licensing.agent@turner.com


United States copyright law includes a provision allowing the “fair use” of a particular work.


All of us “publishers” should take notice. ~Interestingly, it is yet untested in the courts if you have a legal right to quote another person’s public message when you reply to it in the same public forum.



Here is a link to an educationally-oriented discussion of fair use:

http://www.utsystem.edu/OGC/intellectualProperty/copypol2.htm#test


And here is what the U.S. Code defines as Remedies for infringement:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000504----000-.html

Thank you for those insights.

I've forwarded this post along for more discussion amongst the mods, and site adminstrators.

I try to be aware of where my material comes from, and I always link back to the original source.

On a side note have you ever googled your JUB screen name?

I think that many people would be surprised at just how private JUB is.

All someone needs to know is your screen name.

Welcome to the World Wide Web baby.

 

[CO Bob]

I would suggest that your authoring this thread is the height of absurdity

I hearily agree with that opinion!

 

[Andreus]

what i dont get is why a few of you guys have to so personalize this stuff

bob and chance....

you both have had a simple choice here

either continue the ugliness or try to be a part of the positive sollution

you have both decided to be insulting and ugly instead of even making an ATTEMPT at positive input and just because i have a differing political ideology than you

that is the essence of what needs to be different here

 

[JayHawk]

On a side note have you ever googled your JUB screen name?

I think that many people would be surprised at just how private JUB is.

I feel so VIOLATED


I mean really.....................................

 

[Andreus]

It's a two way street. That's what some don't seem to realize. They complain that the moderators favor the Republicans but really need to look in the mirror as well. Sometimes we're so sure we're right that we can't see that we might not be all the time. There are a lot of people on here who I have never seen criticize one of their own or admit to a mistake, no matter how many times or convincingly they are called on it.

so what you are saying is that this forum would be better if we all treat each other equally bad, even those we agree with?

and just a little clue, btw?

the mods dont favor the republicans

they protect them

 

[Andreus]

I feel so VIOLATED


I mean really.....................................

luckily there are alot of andreus's in greece

its not an uncommon name

 

[Centexfarmer]

Not sure that "standards and decency" is consistent with your "outing" of falcon/seapuppy whatever

an "uber conservative republican"

not consistent at all

I would suggest that your authoring this thread is the height of absurdity

I hearily agree with that opinion!

what i dont get is why a few of you guys have to so personalize this stuff

bob and chance....

you both have had a simple choice here

either continue the ugliness or try to be a part of the positive sollution

you have both decided to be insulting and ugly instead of even making an ATTEMPT at positive input and just because i have a differing political ideology than you

that is the essence of what needs to be different here

See from a Moderator's perspective, all three of these posts are valid.

They are an expression of an opinion.

For the life of many of us Mods though, we can't understand why members insist upon reading posts / thread by other members that are contrary to their own and insist on responding.

Is strictly and ego thing?

Members can't go around demanding standards, and decency, in one thread and then violate them in another.

so what you are saying is that this forum would be better if we all treat each other equally bad, even those we agree with?

and just a little clue, btw?

the mods dont favor the republicans

they protect them

You'd be surprised at how often you get protected.

Frankly the mods (plural not singular) of this forum get pretty sick and tired of reading your little off-handed remarks against how CE&P is moderated.

There are so many things that members don't see everyday, some are only concerned with their perception of what is and isn't being done.

As a Moderator, I see no decency in attacking Moderators because of your perceived bias.

As a volunteer / moderator I take my responsibilities to JD and Seth, along with my reputation as a member here VERY seriously.

I let some things go because there not really an attack.

Name calling, and directing comments directly toward another member in a hateful or condescending manner, well that's different.

Directing comments toward or about Moderators means only a handful of people, who like yourself have feelings too.

 

[chance1]

Andreus

the next time I take ur advice/cousel/etc will be the first

will never happen

I find u to be completely disingenuine

you have proven this time and time again

you are on my ignore list and have been for some time - along with your friend

you write about decorum as if you have any

please - before you try to make the world (JUB) better, take care of your own

 

[Andreus]

See from a Moderator's perspective, all three of these posts are valid.

They are an expression of an opinion.

For the life of many of us Mods though, we can't understand why members insist upon reading posts / thread by other members that are contrary to their own and insist on responding.

Is strictly and ego thing?

Members can't go around demanding standards, and decency, in one thread and then violate them in another.



You'd be surprised at how often you get protected.

Frankly the mods (plural not singular) of this forum get pretty sick and tired of reading your little off-handed remarks against how CE&P is moderated.

There are so many things that members don't see everyday, some are only concerned with their perception of what is and isn't being done.

As a Moderator, I see no decency in attacking Moderators because of your perceived bias.

As a volunteer / moderator I take my responsibilities to JD and Seth, along with my reputation as a member here VERY seriously.

I let some things go because there not really an attack.

Name calling, and directing comments directly toward another member in a hateful or condescending manner, well that's different.

Directing comments toward or about Moderators means only a handful of people, who like yourself have feelings too.

i didnt say that the others of us arent as well

and you seem to be all too sensitive to the process of your position, centex

its not liek you are forced to do the job and its not like you arent appreciated either

just chill out and stop reading more into what is written than what is being said

this thread isnt about the moderators, its about the people who arent moderators

 

[Centexfarmer]

I feel so VIOLATED


I mean really.....................................

Scary isn't it?

 

[Centexfarmer]

i didnt say that the others of us arent as well

and you seem to be all too sensitive to the process of your position, centex

its not liek you are forced to do the job and its not like you arent appreciated either

just chill out and stop reading more into what is written than what is being said

this thread isnt about the moderators, its about the people who arent moderators

Which proves my point. Once a member becomes a moderator, that somehow they're no longer members with an opinion.

Thanks for that! Now I know where you stand.

 

[Andreus]

Andreus

the next time I take ur advice/cousel/etc will be the first

will never happen

I find u to be completely disingenuine

you have proven this time and time again

you are on my ignore list and have been for some time - along with your friend

you write about decorum as if you have any

please - before you try to make the world (JUB) better, take care of your own

and yet you read it and posted to it

interesting that

 

[Andreus]

Which proves my point. Once a member becomes a moderator, that somehow they're no longer members with an opinion.

Thanks for that! Now I know where you stand.

centex thats just bullshit

flat out

you know i value u as a person and as a member and that i felt that way even before you were a moderator. god knows ive tried to let you know that in everyway i can

not every criticism of this forum has to do with the moderators

there are other things at JUb besides moderators

 

[Andreus]

well this has been a monumental waste of time. i was under the mistaken impression that we, moderators included, could come up with some ideas to make the forum more enjoyable. but alas that is obviously not what we seem to be interested in

it seems that the forum likes its nasty turns and its bad reputation

sorry to all parties for trying to be part of an unwanted sollution

 

[Zeremonie]

I see that Centexfarmer has got this thread under control so there's no need to expand on what he says. He is correct about his comments on moderating - And Andreus you've it clear that your intent was not to focus on the moderators when you made this thread.



It's a strange topic: One would think the answer is simple. Treat others as you yourself wish to be treated. That is all I really wanted to say!

 

[Andreus]

No, Andreus, quite the contrary, more like the Golden Rule.

Protect who? How? I've heard that before but would like to know specifics. Is it just because any of us are allowed to post that you assume we must be protected? I'd like to know when I've been protected. Now, for a totally inappropriate smiley

we are ALL protected here

thats the point obviously missed by someone

its not about a political bias... its about being viewed collectively as a membership.... the mods arent interested in what hte political affiliation of a person is at all, just their behaviors and their right to free expression

the mods dont operate within the innerforum political dynamics

they operate within the general guidelines the site owners have set up

most of the members are too involved to see that

and thanks for the innapropriate smiley heres one for you

 

[Andreus]

I see that Centexfarmer has got this thread under control so there's no need to expand on what he says. He is correct about his comments on moderating - And Andreus you've it clear that your intent was not to focus on the moderators when you made this thread.



It's a strange topic: One would think the answer is simple. Treat others as you yourself wish to be treated. That is all I really wanted to say!

thanks melody