Stop Online Piracy Act

[mygaybuffet]

Re: I support SOPA...

SOPA and PIPA are DOA!!!

Online piracy is a positive and it should be embraced. The problem is not with the individuals pirating but with the big entertainment industries ripping us off left and right.
The issue though at heart is over ownership. When a product is sold to a consumer it no longer is the property of the seller but now the consumer's. Yet somehow because a product is digital the seller thinks it can stipulate restrictions and conditions of use after the point of sale. This is the ludicrous idiocracy that online piracy is going to stamp out once and for all.
You cannot stop an idea, no matter how hard you try.

 

[JayHawk]

Re: I support SOPA...

I did not catch the news that the Senate killed PIPA... odd


SO for you MGB anybody that creates something with their mind is creating that for all of humanity and must simply give it over for free?

Or even better if one sell equals all profit then they should sell the original for the several million they had hoped to earn.

 

[winterknight]

Re: I support SOPA...

Last I heard, PIPA was still alive, but it was now called the "e-PARASITE Act".

Which should tell you all you need to know.

 

[JayHawk]

E-Parasite ... i guess that puts it into perspective. Typically they name bills for glowing monikers to make them sound noble... I can not see a parasite bill being passed

 

[mygaybuffet]

Re: I support SOPA...

I did not catch the news that the Senate killed PIPA... odd


SO for you MGB anybody that creates something with their mind is creating that for all of humanity and must simply give it over for free?

Or even better if one sell equals all profit then they should sell the original for the several million they had hoped to earn.

With SOPA's death PIPA is for all intents and purposes DOA!

JayHawk you completely took my statement out of context. Take the sale of Book ABC:

You buy Book ABC on release day from a bookstore. You like it so much that you lend it to a friend to read (I'm quite sure the publishing company would have preferred your friend to have bought Book ABC instead of reading it for free.).
Some years go by and you sell Book ABC for half the original purchase cost at a yard sale (Here you are reselling a copyright protected work without giving the publishing company a cut of your small profit.).
Book ABC is purchased at this yard sale by a literacy advocate who in turn donates the book to the local library (Now the book is available for a multitude free of charge which I'm quite sure the publishing company does not like.).
This example happens all the time with CDs, DVDs, second hand electronics, clothes, etc. Yet for all those physical products you have the right to do that once you purchase it. It's your property.
So why is it that those same rights and rules don't apply in the digital realm? How can a company tell you how you can or cannot use a digital product if you bought it fair and square? It's like the internet companies offering unlimited speeds but then throttling your connection if you actually use what you're paying for. Thankfully the American courts agreed with the consumers and forced those internet companies to deliver on their goods.

 

[JayHawk]

Right MGB but you selling that copyrighted work twice is not overall detrimental to the industry or the personal who created it.

When I can go to the Philippines and buy every American television season for a dollar then that is an illegal act.

Mass gain or creating your own business out of stealing other peoples hard work should be a crime. SOPA and PIPA are not the answer but as the Whitehouse statement said there has to be an answer. Your concept of a yard sale is not in keeping with the times and technology.

How many People can be elected President these days without having a photogenic face and charisma and a voice made for TV? NONE because the television age changed the game. the internet has changed the game in regards to intellectual property.

No one here can argue that because they paid for a computer they are entitled to every movie and television show for free. That is preposterous.

Lets put it into another context. What is it you do to earn money generally?

 

[mygaybuffet]

Right MGB but you selling that copyrighted work twice is not overall detrimental to the industry or the personal who created it.

When I can go to the Philippines and buy every American television season for a dollar then that is an illegal act.

Mass gain or creating your own business out of stealing other peoples hard work should be a crime. SOPA and PIPA are not the answer but as the Whitehouse statement said there has to be an answer. Your concept of a yard sale is not in keeping with the times and technology.

How many People can be elected President these days without having a photogenic face and charisma and a voice made for TV? NONE because the television age changed the game. the internet has changed the game in regards to intellectual property.

No one here can argue that because they paid for a computer they are entitled to every movie and television show for free. That is preposterous.

Lets put it into another context. What is it you do to earn money generally?

Once again you missed my point!

The yard sale was but an example. Copyright infringement occurs on a daily basis by the billions without their explicit knowledge. If you have ever purchased a copyright protected work, digital or not, and you have let someone else use it without having paid for it you are guilty of copyright infringement. Yet I don't see these mammoth Goliath companies going after people for doing it. Libraries commit massive copyright infringement worldwide by making copyright protected works available to the public for free. No one's going after them. So why doing the same thing in the digital realm is vilified is pure hypocrisy and a double standard.
I will not apologize for defending the right of information and its free unencumbered distribution.
I am currently unemployed but am in an online venture with a buddy.

 

[JayHawk]

Libraries are doing it for free and do not make a profit off of the work of others they simply seek to educate.

Guess what you can rent movies there as well. I can go to my free hulu account and watch all the content I would like. Some of it requires that you pay a fee for residuals. There are no legal restrictions on that sort of thing. In fact many places make the content available for free after a time so that they can grow their audience.

However when you provide no protection against the same article being turned into profit by another then there is an objection and rightfully so.

But we could go back and forth until the US passes the watered down version and you will still disagree and I will still side with the right of a creator of intellectual property to own and benefit from their creation.

 

[Yomaga]

im going to be so pissed if SOPA passes

 

[JayHawk]

SOPA is DEAD

PIPA is the twin bill started in the Senate. It is most likely dead as well.


They lobbyist will go back to the drawing board and come up with something that has less of the objected parts and then it will pass.

 

[mygaybuffet]

SOPA is DEAD

PIPA is the twin bill started in the Senate. It is most likely dead as well.


They lobbyist will go back to the drawing board and come up with something that has less of the objected parts and then it will pass.

Let's hope your apocalyptic vision of untold irreparable restrictions on freedom of information and speech does not come to fruition.

Be careful what you wish for since the truest altruistic motives of good rarely if ever bear out such fruit in the eventuality of the occurring consequences.

 

[jwa007]

^ Think I'm getting it. Not that it will bother me. I don't do Facebook and I don't download music or movies or TV shows. (Not even sure I would know how to even do that.)

Thanks for the info.

When they came for the content pirates I did nothing because I am not a pirate.

Yeah, I don't think that ever works out quite the way you think it will.

Just sayin'

 

[winterknight]

No-one is claiming that stopping piracy is a bad thing. However, the law as currently written will have consequences far beyond that.

See also:

The EFF

Cory Doctorow at BoingBoing

Patrick Nielsen Hayden

http://americancensorship.org/

This bit of Cory's piece is worth quoting:

... we could not ever link to another website unless we were sure that no links to anything that infringes copyright appeared on that site. So in order to link to a URL on LiveJournal or WordPress or Twitter or Blogspot, we'd have to first confirm that no one had ever made an infringing link, anywhere on that site. Making one link would require checking millions (even tens of millions) of pages, just to be sure that we weren't in some way impinging on the ability of five Hollywood studios, four multinational record labels, and six global publishers to maximize their profits.

If we failed to take this precaution, our finances could be frozen, our ad broker forced to pull ads from our site, and depending on which version of the bill goes to the vote, our domains confiscated, and, because our server is in Canada, our IP address would be added to a US-wide blacklist that every ISP in the country would be required to censor.

 

[Kulindahr]

Time to start making servers invisible, so they can't be found and governments can't touch them.

 

[blackbeltninja]

Re: I support SOPA...

I did not catch the news that the Senate killed PIPA... odd


SO for you MGB anybody that creates something with their mind is creating that for all of humanity and must simply give it over for free?

Or even better if one sell equals all profit then they should sell the original for the several million they had hoped to earn.

Well, why is it that you can't legally sell your 2nd hand dvds (at least, you're not supposed to) because if you do the studio is supposed to get a cut, but if you sell your car you don't have to mail a cheque off to Ford?

And why is it that DVD rental places need to pay a rental fee, and restaurants and clubs pay a fee to play music in their establishments, but Hertz and Avis don't have to pay licencing fees to car manufacturers for doing exactly the same thing?

-d-

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: I support SOPA...

Well, why is it that you can't legally sell your 2nd hand dvds (at least, you're not supposed to) because if you do the studio is supposed to get a cut, but if you sell your car you don't have to mail a cheque off to Ford?

And why is it that DVD rental places need to pay a rental fee, and restaurants and clubs pay a fee to play music in their establishments, but Hertz and Avis don't have to pay licencing fees to car manufacturers for doing exactly the same thing?

-d-

I'm surprised they haven't made it illegal to play your music loud enough for anyone else to hear.

 

[mygaybuffet]

Re: I support SOPA...

Well, why is it that you can't legally sell your 2nd hand dvds (at least, you're not supposed to) because if you do the studio is supposed to get a cut, but if you sell your car you don't have to mail a cheque off to Ford?

And why is it that DVD rental places need to pay a rental fee, and restaurants and clubs pay a fee to play music in their establishments, but Hertz and Avis don't have to pay licencing fees to car manufacturers for doing exactly the same thing?

-d-

THANK YOU!!!

This is exactly the type of hypocrisy and double standard I've been referring to. Why these companies think they have a right to tell us how we use digital files is just asinine! They can go fuck themselves, the greedy bastards!!